ch958 Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gambo said: Maybe a points restriction to force a share out the Heat Leaders? (e.g. max 2 riders over 'x' points?) I like the continental way - graded riders a,b,c,d whatever system is used the rich glory crazed clubs will chuck money at it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Eck Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 41 minutes ago, ch958 said: I like the continental way - graded riders a,b,c,d whatever system is used the rich glory crazed clubs will chuck money at it Who are the “rich glory crazed clubs” that “will chuck money at it” in your view? I can only think of one for sure in each league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 24 minutes ago, Wee Eck said: Who are the “rich glory crazed clubs” that “will chuck money at it” in your view? I can only think of one for sure in each league. I can think of 2 one splashes the cash and has an empty trophy cabinet, the other has a full cabinet !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 2 hours ago, iainb said: I can see why they think twice home and away will extend the league programme beyond mid July/August... but they couldn't complete once home and away and 5 play off ties in one of the driest summer's on record... only in Speedway would they think this is the solution. The ONLY way it is going to work is of they get away from this ridiculous idea that rained off meetings HAVE to be restaged, they don't in Cricket, they shouldn't in Speedway. Four issues with that, 1) season ticket holders lose out of matches not restaged. 2) how do they work out the match result, clubs could cancel meetings / say track it too dangerous depending on opposition, 3) riders miss out on matches & lose money, 4) clubs like Birmingham have to race so many fixtures in rent agreement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 25 minutes ago, Wee Eck said: Who are the “rich glory crazed clubs” that “will chuck money at it” in your view? I can only think of one for sure in each league. I'm not getting involved it that discussion but I would say there's more than 1 in each league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 29 minutes ago, ch958 said: I'm not getting involved it that discussion but I would say there's more than 1 in each league You started the discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 32 meetings + potentially another 4 for the playoffs + whatever else they come up with. That's not even considering those who have NL clubs. In a country that couldn't finish a season until November 4th (not including the Jubilee Trophy). If it was the first time then you'd give BSPL a pass for being optimistic and ambitious. Seeing as it isn't, they're just plain stupid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 37 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Four issues with that, 1) season ticket holders lose out of matches not restaged. 2) how do they work out the match result, clubs could cancel meetings / say track it too dangerous depending on opposition, 3) riders miss out on matches & lose money, 4) clubs like Birmingham have to race so many fixtures in rent agreement 1) Not really an issue, refund ticket holders, offer transfer to next year or even structure the season ticket in a different way, maybe membership that gets you discounts etc... Cricket must have a similar issue, how do they model their season tickets? 2) 1 point each, only a Referee can call a match off while they are in attendance any call off prior is done by the SCB. 3) Riders and clubs will be more willing to get matches on 4) They run filler fixtures after the League programme to fulfil any obligations, the League must not be held up because of 1 club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 3 hours ago, Fromafar said: Problem was most track were having “free weeks” to accommodate their riders being unavailable.That needs to be addressed Almost impossible, we are at the bottom of the pecking order ..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 47 minutes ago, Jaizer said: You started the discussion Yes but I didn't name names and I don't want the aggro if I do. I'm sure most understand what I mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 1 minute ago, ch958 said: Yes but I didn't name names and I don't want the aggro if I do. I'm sure most understand what I mean Why bring it up in first place then? At least have the courage of your convictions 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Neila said: I can think of 2 one splashes the cash and has an empty trophy cabinet, the other has a full cabinet !! if you're thinking Poole as one of them, i don't think they splash the cash, riders go there because they know they're guaranteed to get paid 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 1 minute ago, stevehone said: if you're thinking Poole as one of them, i don't think they splash the cash, riders go there because they know they're guaranteed to get paid But are they promised a win bonus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Trees said: But are they promised a win bonus? A holiday to France? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted November 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Neila said: I can think of 2 one splashes the cash and has an empty trophy cabinet, the other has a full cabinet !! Like Workington did in 2018 you mean. It is well-documented that what was paid to riders that season went a long way in ensuring that they couldn't sustain it. And the bottom line it's their cash so from that respect if they want to splash it as you put it then what's the problem? Seems a few from Cumbria can't get their heads around that. Edited November 5, 2022 by Gazc 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 Poole are not the highest payers. But they pay, and riders know they are in with a shout of a title. Richard Lawson said last night that was the first trophy he had won in his career and it means a lot to him. Imagine going through a whole career but no trophies to show for it? Nearly all riders in their career win very little individually. A very few win the odd title. An even smaller amount win a national title and we are in to thin air with world championships. To win a club title is very important to most riders, and they know if they are lucky enough to join a club like Poole they are in with a chance of just that. For riders like Kemp, Ablitt, it has come early in their careers but might not happen again. When they retire they can look back and remember they were part of that team. Poole don’t pay a guarantee. They do pay riders points money which is affordable to the club. As for some on here saying the playoffs sg]hould be scrapped and it should just be top of the league is champs, imagine if Poole next year went through the card and the title ws decided in late June. We would have clubs putting out weakened teams at away meetings to save money, robbing the public, because the club have no chance of catching the runaway winners. The playoffs have been going strong for 20 years and will not be dispatched with. They bring in huge crowds, keep the league alive and keep the fans interested. And I for one love them. As do many others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 You cant argue that success breeds success, poole pay , they get good teams 9 yrs out of 10 and the crowd support is enviable, whatever the league, love or hate, they are the benchmark . 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 48 minutes ago, Gazc said: Like Workington did in 2018 you mean. It is well-documented that what was paid to riders that season went a long way in ensuring that they couldn't sustain it. And the bottom line it's their cash so from that respect if they want to splash it as you put it then what's the problem? Seems a few from Cumbria can't get their heads around that. It was also well documented that some of them never got what they were promised. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Poole are not the highest payers. But they pay, and riders know they are in with a shout of a title. Richard Lawson said last night that was the first trophy he had won in his career and it means a lot to him. Imagine going through a whole career but no trophies to show for it? Nearly all riders in their career win very little individually. A very few win the odd title. An even smaller amount win a national title and we are in to thin air with world championships. To win a club title is very important to most riders, and they know if they are lucky enough to join a club like Poole they are in with a chance of just that. For riders like Kemp, Ablitt, it has come early in their careers but might not happen again. When they retire they can look back and remember they were part of that team. Poole don’t pay a guarantee. They do pay riders points money which is affordable to the club. As for some on here saying the playoffs sg]hould be scrapped and it should just be top of the league is champs, imagine if Poole next year went through the card and the title ws decided in late June. We would have clubs putting out weakened teams at away meetings to save money, robbing the public, because the club have no chance of catching the runaway winners. The playoffs have been going strong for 20 years and will not be dispatched with. They bring in huge crowds, keep the league alive and keep the fans interested. And I for one love them. As do many others. Richard won the KO Cup with Glasgow in 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Jaizer said: Richard won the KO Cup with Glasgow in 2016 Lawson is riding as well as I have ever seem him ride ,fair play to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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