Gazc Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 Some interesting developments on next season on the GB Website. No Rider guarantees mentioned with point penalties if any club found to be paying guarantees. No Play Offs mentioned. League consists nine teams with Edinburgh included. lLeague season consists of racing each other home & away twice. 16 home and 16 away. Hopefully they can properly plan fixtures for the warmer months with no long breaks in those months. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gazc said: No Play Offs mentioned. "Official confirmation of SCB rulebook issues such as the points limit, league scoring system and play-off structure, and details of other competitions, will follow after the AGM later this month." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 15 minutes ago, iainb said: "Official confirmation of SCB rulebook issues such as the points limit, league scoring system and play-off structure, and details of other competitions, will follow after the AGM later this month." Do we have an actual date for AGM? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gazc Posted November 5, 2022 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 16 minutes ago, iainb said: "Official confirmation of SCB rulebook issues such as the points limit, league scoring system and play-off structure, and details of other competitions, will follow after the AGM later this month." Play offs this year especially turned out to be a complete lottery. They need binned going forward they have no credibility. Only my opinion of course. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 26 minutes ago, Gazc said: Some interesting developments on next season on the GB Website. No Rider guarantees mentioned with point penalties if any club found to be paying guarantees. No Play Offs mentioned. League consists nine teams with Edinburgh included. lLeague season consists of racing each other home & away twice. 16 home and 16 away. Hopefully they can properly plan fixtures for the warmer months with no long breaks in those months. Sounds a decent fixture list,hopefully the can fit in with riders schedule elsewhere. Riders guarantees not really worth trying to enforce as it obvious there are plenty ways round it as was found in1984( I think it was) when they tried to introduce points payment limit. Cant be any worse than some of the chaos that was this season. just hope it hasn’t damaged fan base. interesting to see what admission charges will be for a downgraded product if the new points limit is what they are saying elsewhere. Onwards and Upwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvm Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 25 minutes ago, Gazc said: Some interesting developments on next season on the GB Website. No Rider guarantees mentioned with point penalties if any club found to be paying guarantees. No Play Offs mentioned. League consists nine teams with Edinburgh included. lLeague season consists of racing each other home & away twice. 16 home and 16 away. Hopefully they can properly plan fixtures for the warmer months with no long breaks in those months. It’s doesn’t say “no rider guarantees”, it say “This includes a Limit to rider guarantees” That’s two different things. It will all be down to the fine print, which going off past experience of “rules and agreements” will be open to interpretation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickinho Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) I like these proposals so far. League racing over 32 meetings and no play-offs sounds like a return to some normality. Hopefully we will see a good cup competition as well instead of the silly jubilee league cup set-up. I'd also like to see a 4-team tournament as well as the points limit being set at over 40 points. But so far so good. Edited November 5, 2022 by Nickinho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 If they are going with riding every team twice I would get rid of KOC and the other cup. Some teams were struggling to complete their fixtures before the cut off despite an incredibly dry summer. The problem is, the teams that make the playoffs also do well in the other competitions and end up struggling to complete all their fixtures before the autumn weather, it happens every year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, Nickinho said: I like these proposals so far. League racing over 32 meetings and no play-offs sounds like a return to some normality. Hopefully we will see a good cup competition as well instead of the silly jubilee league cup set-up. I'd also like to see a 4-team tournament as well as the points limit being set at over 40 points. But so far so good. It doesn;t say 'No play-offs' as others have already pointed out! The structure of playoffs, along with KO Cup, points limits etc will be announced after the AGM later this month. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) I can see why they think twice home and away will extend the league programme beyond mid July/August... but they couldn't complete once home and away and 5 play off ties in one of the driest summer's on record... only in Speedway would they think this is the solution. The ONLY way it is going to work is if they get away from this ridiculous idea that rained off meetings HAVE to be restaged, they don't in Cricket, they shouldn't in Speedway. Edited November 7, 2022 by iainb 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 It seems, on average, that there will be more fixtures but I would have blank weeks to fill in with cancelled fixtures. I know it might seem strange but having blank weeks means no team will be riding so should be easier for rider availability to fill in a cancelled meeting or even bring forward one. If the season starts last week in March, have free weeks in May, June & July or August. Poland had & have had in the past free weeks even though they do not race as many meetings as ourselves & it works but it does seem strange that they have relaxed their rules regarding riders riding in Ekstraliga plus 1 other league to 2 other leagues but have priority to race some Thursdays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: It seems, on average, that there will be more fixtures but I would have blank weeks to fill in with cancelled fixtures. I know it might seem strange but having blank weeks means no team will be riding so should be easier for rider availability to fill in a cancelled meeting or even bring forward one. If the season starts last week in March, have free weeks in May, June & July or August. Poland had & have had in the past free weeks even though they do not race as many meetings as ourselves & it works but it does seem strange that they have relaxed their rules regarding riders riding in Ekstraliga plus 1 other league to 2 other leagues but have priority to race some Thursdays. Or maybe don't have free weeks but simply rearrange meetings on off nights! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Or maybe don't have free weeks but simply rearrange meetings on off nights! Yes you could do that also but your secondary off night, as in your(Poole) night this year, you used a couple of Fridays which 4 teams, Edinburgh, Scunthorpe, Glasgow & Redcar, have as their main race night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: It seems, on average, that there will be more fixtures but I would have blank weeks to fill in with cancelled fixtures. I know it might seem strange but having blank weeks means no team will be riding so should be easier for rider availability to fill in a cancelled meeting or even bring forward one. If the season starts last week in March, have free weeks in May, June & July or August. Poland had & have had in the past free weeks even though they do not race as many meetings as ourselves & it works but it does seem strange that they have relaxed their rules regarding riders riding in Ekstraliga plus 1 other league to 2 other leagues but have priority to race some Thursdays. Problem was most track were having “free weeks” to accommodate their riders being unavailable.That needs to be addressed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Or maybe don't have free weeks but simply rearrange meetings on off nights! Why rearrange them at all? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Problem was most track were having “free weeks” to accommodate their riders being unavailable.That needs to be addressed Yes, some riders were taking "holiday" breaks but even with riders being unavailable or injured our dreaded evil of guests is used which we will not get away from. Where teams refused to ride on alternative nights because of too many riders unavailable/injured needs addressing. We all would like to see "our" team racing most weeks but know it is almost impossible & I would think this last year, throughout each week had 8+ guests in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: Yes, some riders were taking "holiday" breaks but even with riders being unavailable or injured our dreaded evil of guests is used which we will not get away from. Where teams refused to ride on alternative nights because of too many riders unavailable/injured needs addressing. We all would like to see "our" team racing most weeks but know it is almost impossible & I would think this last year, throughout each week had 8+ guests in. I do think the alternative racenight has to be use more ( I know some teams have a limit to the number of times) especially in rain off situations.Unfortunately guests will always be a necessary evil with the situation. Edited November 5, 2022 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 58 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: It doesn;t say 'No play-offs' as others have already pointed out! The structure of playoffs, along with KO Cup, points limits etc will be announced after the AGM later this month. Hopefully it will be top 4 in Champ and top 3 in Prem as it should be hard to get into. Not having teams in it who finish mid table. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 Anything that stops or limits guarantees has to be a positive. Both heat leaders on 4 figure sums and reserves on 4 point guarantees. A few riders are clearly not on guarantees this season who may have been in the past with a resultant improvement on consistency. One aspect of 2 times home and away, which I agree with 100% is what does it mean for NDL at clubs who run 2 teams. Some can run double headers (not popular with fans) some can't, will it make at least some Clubs pull out of NDL. Hopefully we get a 40 point limit a logic to run A fixtures then B fixtures with A scheduled to finish by end of June and B sometime in August. Icing on the cake for me would be an aggregate bonus point for A and B fixtures to keep excitement going all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 Maybe a points restriction to force a share out the Heat Leaders? (e.g. max 2 riders over 'x' points?) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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