Ben91 Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 minute ago, phillipsr said: Brennan and an other could step up in that time whilst Lambert and Bewley will be in there prime…. I’d be very (pleasantly) surprised if Brennan reaches world standard but I hope you’re right of course. Boughen looks like he could be a real talent in years to come if his career is handled right, again the next World Cup would probably be too soon to expect him to be at that level though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 During the TV pre amble Kelvin and Ricko has an exchange and stated that all the riders were capable and the differences in lap times were minimal They stated be a World Champion the difference was likely to be that mental strength and belief that you would win In the last block of heats that's what it came down too and is why the Poles won Kubera pulled out a win that hadn't seemed likely. Zmarzlik and Magic both produces passes to pick up places that really shouldn't have been possible GB however didn't deliver even the one barnstormer required despite having four goes at it and therefore fell just short They didn't bottle it, they didn't fail - both those viewpoints are frankly a little ridiculous They simply weren't quite good enough 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 10 hours ago, Col said: There is nothing wrong with the 2 man format, it's just not as good! Disagree. The two man format gives more nations the chance due to more evenly matched top pairs compared to less evenly matched top 4 riders. It also allows for team riding, which should be the point of a team event. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 Last night was a good event, good close racing. My only gripe is that the hosts (Poland) should never be seeded straight to the final. They should be made to earn their place in the final, and that means if seeding to the race off (if the hosts have to be seeded somewhere). Poland are too good and would have perhaps won anyway, but feels wrong the hosts go straight to the final, it gives them an unfair advantage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 17 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: During the TV pre amble Kelvin and Ricko has an exchange and stated that all the riders were capable and the differences in lap times were minimal They stated be a World Champion the difference was likely to be that mental strength and belief that you would win In the last block of heats that's what it came down too and is why the Poles won Kubera pulled out a win that hadn't seemed likely. Zmarzlik and Magic both produces passes to pick up places that really shouldn't have been possible GB however didn't deliver even the one barnstormer required despite having four goes at it and therefore fell just short They didn't bottle it, they didn't fail - both those viewpoints are frankly a little ridiculous They simply weren't quite good enough That’s a good sum up of the night and Just a great nights speedway thrown in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheese Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 A great meeting, feels a bit like GB missed an opportunity but I don't think they could have done much more. Lambert was superb all night, Ellis more than did his job and I'm sure Brennan will have learnt more from this week than he would in a whole Championship season. I thought Poland had made a huge mistake by putting Janowski in the last race but credit to him. Disappointing it's going to be a while before the next World Cup, alternating each year with the SoN would be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StationRoad Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 23 minutes ago, TheReturn said: Last night was a good event, good close racing. My only gripe is that the hosts (Poland) should never be seeded straight to the final. They should be made to earn their place in the final, and that means if seeding to the race off (if the hosts have to be seeded somewhere). Poland are too good and would have perhaps won anyway, but feels wrong the hosts go straight to the final, it gives them an unfair advantage. I suspect wherever the event was staged in would not be commercially viable without the hosts being seeded to the final. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, StationRoad said: I suspect wherever the event was staged in would not be commercially viable without the hosts being seeded to the final. Possibly, but the race off was an empty stadium, so arguably could make it more commercially viable if home fans do go to both events. Especially if they offer tickets for the final at a hugely discounted price when purchased with the race-off (not sure if they do that already), could mean more income than fans just attending the final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castrolargh Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, StationRoad said: I suspect wherever the event was staged in would not be commercially viable without the hosts being seeded to the final. I think you are right, and the crowd levels at the semis and race off would suggest the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, StationRoad said: I suspect wherever the event was staged in would not be commercially viable without the hosts being seeded to the final. Hasn't it in the past been a little disadvantage for the hosts not having a meeting on the track, racing wise ? As well as the commercial aspect 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovalman Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 (edited) With 6 heat wins to the Poles 4 we should have won it. Thought we might early on, but full credit to the home nation, and brilliant riding from especially Zmarzlik. Aussies unlucky with Holder getting injured. If most meetings were like this speedway would be massive again, great TV, fantastic atmosphere. Not too keen on the SoN. Good to see the Swindon connection, Steady and Allen ex-Robins, Ashley Holloway, son of Malc, Tom Brennan, a Swindon born lad. Rasser Jensen, Jason Doyle, Adam Ellis, in 2019 Double-winning team. Edited July 30, 2023 by auntie doris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 hour ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: During the TV pre amble Kelvin and Ricko has an exchange and stated that all the riders were capable and the differences in lap times were minimal They stated be a World Champion the difference was likely to be that mental strength and belief that you would win In the last block of heats that's what it came down too and is why the Poles won Kubera pulled out a win that hadn't seemed likely. Zmarzlik and Magic both produces passes to pick up places that really shouldn't have been possible GB however didn't deliver even the one barnstormer required despite having four goes at it and therefore fell just short They didn't bottle it, they didn't fail - both those viewpoints are frankly a little ridiculous They simply weren't quite good enough I often think that mental toughness and willingness to put bike and body into more risky positions is what sets Zmarzlik apart. That in turn gives him an aurora of invincibility. If you’re ahead of him it’s very rarely if, but when he’ll catch you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazS Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 has he had a serious injury yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattB Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 hour ago, TheReturn said: Disagree. The two man format gives more nations the chance due to more evenly matched top pairs compared to less evenly matched top 4 riders. It also allows for team riding, which should be the point of a team event. Just my opinion. I think the two complement each other and offer a different challenge. While the SWC is a team event in name, when the tapes go up every rider is an individual. The SON encourages team racing as you say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 Just when you are about give up on speedway, along comes a meeting like this. Fantastic stuff from 4 evenly matched teams all giving it their very best. All four teams were winners and a triumph for the sport of speedway. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackett Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 28 minutes ago, keepturningleft said: Just when you are about give up on speedway, along comes a meeting like this. Fantastic stuff from 4 evenly matched teams all giving it their very best. All four teams were winners and a triumph for the sport of speedway. Good words .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 I think some have mentioned it was surprising to let Janowski have the last race but although he ran a last earlier I dont see they had any other option, they had to put Zmarslik in heat 19 because Bewley and Madsen were in it, the strange one was dropping Dudek when Kolodziej had not been used all night, if he intended that he should of given him a race earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andout Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: I think some have mentioned it was surprising to let Janowski have the last race but although he ran a last earlier I dont see they had any other option, they had to put Zmarslik in heat 19 because Bewley and Madsen were in it, the strange one was dropping Dudek when Kolodziej had not been used all night, if he intended that he should of given him a race earlier. That is not really the way it worked, GB had the the last choice....Zmarzlik and Madsen were already in heat 19......could have been any GB rider in that heat. It was manager's choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 53 minutes ago, andout said: That is not really the way it worked, GB had the the last choice....Zmarzlik and Madsen were already in heat 19......could have been any GB rider in that heat. It was manager's choice. Anyone could have guessed it would be Bewley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedwaycrazy Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 A favour please? Does anyone know how I can watch last nights World Cup Final on catch up/ replay [please? Here's hoping..... Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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