Edinburgh 2023

[gmarsbar2]

3 hours ago, spt82 said:

Upset? I was kind of referring to your original post too, why would you even be bothered if any Edinburgh fans have posted about the signing of Lasse on here? Pretty sure most fans are pleased to see him return, I certainly am. 

I was surprised that no one had posted the signing on the forum. Only reason I found out was someone claimed Edinburgh holding NDL to ransom , so I looked on Monarchs website to see if they had issued a statement about participation in the NDL.

From the alleged team which is 0.45 under the points limit you could have easily upgraded either Paco or Lasse.

Connor Bailey or Kyle Newman instead of Lasse .

Or Kemp, A.Morris, Rowe or Thomas instead of Paco.

Obviously dependent on who makes the Poole lineup.

Don't understand the logic of signing  non-elite riders based outside the UK with the additional costs when you could employ British riders.

[gmuncie]

15 minutes ago, gmarsbar2 said:

I was surprised that no one had posted the signing on the forum. Only reason I found out was someone claimed Edinburgh holding NDL to ransom , so I looked on Monarchs website to see if they had issued a statement about participation in the NDL.

From the alleged team which is 0.45 under the points limit you could have easily upgraded either Paco or Lasse.

Connor Bailey or Kyle Newman instead of Lasse .

Or Kemp, A.Morris, Rowe or Thomas instead of Paco.

Obviously dependent on who makes the Poole lineup.

Don't understand the logic of signing  non-elite riders based outside the UK with the additional costs when you could employ British riders.

Lasse is UK based during the season so costs the  Monarchs less than a southern based rider who would want travel costs  

[gmarsbar2]

12 hours ago, gmuncie said:

Lasse is UK based during the season so costs the  Monarchs less than a southern based rider who would want travel costs  

Funny he's quoted as only riding in Sweden & the UK next season. Says he's doing his own bikes in Sweden, so I assumed he is based there. 

Plus does the Swedish 2nd division not race on a Thursday?

[Mr Blobby]

3 minutes ago, gmarsbar2 said:

Funny he's quoted as only riding in Sweden & the UK next season. Says he's doing his own bikes in Sweden, so I assumed he is based there. 

Plus does the Swedish 2nd division not race on a Thursday?

He’s staying in Scotland and only flying out for Sweden on a Thursday.

[foreverblue]

20 hours ago, gmarsbar2 said:

And yet no one bothered to post about it, unlike every other signing when announced.

Improved to a final GSA of 3.50, starts 2023 on 4.

 

So he still has to improve half a point to get to his assessed average. Doesn't sound a great signing to me. 

[Nickinho]

14 hours ago, gmarsbar2 said:

I was surprised that no one had posted the signing on the forum. Only reason I found out was someone claimed Edinburgh holding NDL to ransom , so I looked on Monarchs website to see if they had issued a statement about participation in the NDL.

From the alleged team which is 0.45 under the points limit you could have easily upgraded either Paco or Lasse.

Connor Bailey or Kyle Newman instead of Lasse .

Or Kemp, A.Morris, Rowe or Thomas instead of Paco.

Obviously dependent on who makes the Poole lineup.

Don't understand the logic of signing  non-elite riders based outside the UK with the additional costs when you could employ British riders.

Connor Bailey is only really good around Ashfield, everywhere else he tends to struggle, even when he's at reserve. Also, Paco is better than Ashley Morris and is more consistent than Drew Kemp and Jack Thomas. Both Paco and Lasse are capable of adding at least another point on their 2023 starting averages. 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Nickinho
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[Monarchs2468]

52 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

So he still has to improve half a point to get to his assessed average. Doesn't sound a great signing to me. 

I'm not sure where you have seen people saying it's a 'great' sighing. But as Monarchs fan I'm happy he is back as there were some promising signs last season.

[arnieg]

1 hour ago, gmarsbar2 said:

Funny he's quoted as only riding in Sweden & the UK next season. Says he's doing his own bikes in Sweden, so I assumed he is based there. 

Plus does the Swedish 2nd division not race on a Thursday?

Alsvenskan is usually Wednesdays

[Fromafar]

1 hour ago, foreverblue said:

So he still has to improve half a point to get to his assessed average. Doesn't sound a great signing to me. 

Think they are right giving him another season,he didn’t have lot of luck last year.on a 4pt av could do a job.

Edited December 18, 2022 by Fromafar

[gmarsbar2]

2 hours ago, Nickinho said:

Connor Bailey is only really good around Ashfield, everywhere else he tends to struggle, even when he's at reserve. Also, Paco is better than Ashley Morris and is more consistent than Drew Kemp and Jack Thomas. Both Paco and Lasse are capable of adding at least another point on their 2023 starting averages. 

Don't most riders average better at home?

Connor's away average in 2022 was 3.53, which was better than Lasse 3.04 or Jacob 1.83. And he outscored both over the 3 Edinburgh v Glasgow fixtures, one of which he was at 2.

Everyone likes to think the riders in their team are capable of adding a point on their starting average but they can't all. Think it's very unlikely Lasse hits 5

[arnieg]

13 minutes ago, gmarsbar2 said:

Don't most riders average better at home?

Connor's away average in 2022 was 3.53, which was better than Lasse 3.04 or Jacob 1.83. And he outscored both over the 3 Edinburgh v Glasgow fixtures, one of which he was at 2.

Everyone likes to think the riders in their team are capable of adding a point on their starting average but they can't all. Think it's very unlikely Lasse hits 5

Typically a home away differential is 1 to 1.5 points. Bailey's is almost three. And when comparing Bailey and Fredriksen you need to consider that most of Bailey's appearances were at reserve, while ALL of Lasse's were in the top 5. He might add a point to his actual average but I'd be surprised if Fredriksen can up his green sheet by that much. Bailey will do well to maintain his average unless he stays at Glasgow.

[StevePark]

28 minutes ago, arnieg said:

Typically a home away differential is 1 to 1.5 points. Bailey's is almost three. And when comparing Bailey and Fredriksen you need to consider that most of Bailey's appearances were at reserve, while ALL of Lasse's were in the top 5. He might add a point to his actual average but I'd be surprised if Fredriksen can up his green sheet by that much. Bailey will do well to maintain his average unless he stays at Glasgow.

He's already left.

[Fromafar]

1 hour ago, arnieg said:

Typically a home away differential is 1 to 1.5 points. Bailey's is almost three. And when comparing Bailey and Fredriksen you need to consider that most of Bailey's appearances were at reserve, while ALL of Lasse's were in the top 5. He might add a point to his actual average but I'd be surprised if Fredriksen can up his green sheet by that much. Bailey will do well to maintain his average unless he stays at Glasgow.

Bailey is so good at Glasgow it’s must be disappointing how poor he was away from home.He looks talented.

[Mr Blobby]

2 hours ago, gmarsbar2 said:

Don't most riders average better at home?

Connor's away average in 2022 was 3.53, which was better than Lasse 3.04 or Jacob 1.83. And he outscored both over the 3 Edinburgh v Glasgow fixtures, one of which he was at 2.

Everyone likes to think the riders in their team are capable of adding a point on their starting average but they can't all. Think it's very unlikely Lasse hits 5

You’re comparing Connor who’s had 3 seasons to 2 riders who have just completed their first.

Not really a valid argument considering it’s the first time they’ve been to these track where Connor has been to some of them 3 maybe even 4 times now.

Edited December 18, 2022 by Mr Blobby

[IronScorpion]

20 hours ago, arnieg said:

Typically a home away differential is 1 to 1.5 points. Bailey's is almost three. And when comparing Bailey and Fredriksen you need to consider that most of Bailey's appearances were at reserve, while ALL of Lasse's were in the top 5. He might add a point to his actual average but I'd be surprised if Fredriksen can up his green sheet by that much. Bailey will do well to maintain his average unless he stays at Glasgow.

Not just in the top 5 but ALL riding with Masters at no2.

[gmarsbar2]

7 hours ago, IronScorpion said:

Not just in the top 5 but ALL riding with Masters at no2.

Think you'll find the No.2 has two programmed rides against a reserve in heat 8 and either 6 or 11 depending if at home or away

A number six only has two programmed rides against a reserve and if you have a weak reserve the team manager might swap the riders around and the only time that weak reserve might come up against another reserve is in heat 2.

[cinderfella]

18 minutes ago, gmarsbar2 said:

Think you'll find the No.2 has two programmed rides against a reserve in heat 8 and either 6 or 11 depending if at home or away

A number six only has two programmed rides against a reserve and if you have a weak reserve the team manager might swap the riders around and the only time that weak reserve might come up against another reserve is in heat 2.

Maybe rules regarding reserves replacing each other need to be changed.

And to avoid hjiggery pokery if a poorly performing reserve "deliberately" goes through the tapes he goes off 15m rather than the other reserve come in?

[szkocjasid]

On 12/19/2022 at 8:37 PM, cinderfella said:

Maybe rules regarding reserves replacing each other need to be changed.

And to avoid hjiggery pokery if a poorly performing reserve "deliberately" goes through the tapes he goes off 15m rather than the other reserve come in?

There's no point having a rule to stop the reserves swapping heats, while you can choose which reserve gets the easier number 7 spot. Imo should follow the Prem reserve rules "rs" or lowest averaged reserve has to be at number 7 & can't be replaced on heat 8!

[Mr Blobby]

Good to have paco back really understands the club and a good team man. Can see him putting a point on that average if he finds a bit more consistency. 
 

Leaves a nice big gap for a return to the good side for a certain someone for the last spot.

[foreverblue]

28 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said:

Good to have paco back really understands the club and a good team man. Can see him putting a point on that average if he finds a bit more consistency. 
 

Leaves a nice big gap for a return to the good side for a certain someone for the last spot.

That rider must be Craig Cook.