Glasgow 2023

[Mr Blobby]

1 minute ago, SilentLurker said:

I am only here for the Mr Blobby tears.  

Is what it is. Rules there to be taken advantage of not Glasgows fault the sport is run by idiots. 

[IronScorpion]

3 hours ago, mac101 said:

if it’s in the rules then it’s ok it’s a bit like how the cook brothers are still on really low averages 6.7/5.88  dew to them being rolling ave  ,yet both are scoring hellva  a lot more than that  yet Ace has now put 1.4 on his ave from a 2 to now a 3.4 which is roughly what both cooks have put on their assessed 5 ave  this year 

Down to it being League meetings ONLY & NOT including play off meetings.

I think it could, also, be down to teams asking riders for the following year in August/September rather than waiting until the end of the season.

[IronScorpion]

3 hours ago, mikebv said:

Didn't that used to be in the rules? No Polish top league riders in Div 2...?

I presume because they raced on Fridays and Sundays when Div 2 used to have lots of meetings..

So it made sense..

And they would have been too good in the main, so it made even more sense...

Wouldn't be Speedway (UK), without someone challenging an unfit for purpose rule... 

It used to be GP riders not allowed in Div 2.

[Jaizer]

3 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said:

Correct. One club, two at a push as you said could afford to do so.

Crazy the rule even exists, think this move will put an end to it for next season.

 

Here lies a question. Highly hypothetical but if there is a championship next season and tarasenko wants to ride in it for Glasgow. Will he still be on the 5 as not enough meetings for a real average or if close the loophole will he be on an assessed average based on prem?

[Mr Blobby]

Just now, Jaizer said:

Here lies a question. Highly hypothetical but if there is a championship next season and tarasenko wants to ride in it for Glasgow. Will he still be on the 5 as not enough meetings for a real average or if close the loophole will he be on an assessed average based on prem?

Good question, can’t see his extraliga side allowing him to ride championship if their season was still running anyway. So highly doubt you’ll see him again in this league once he’s won it.

[IronScorpion]

2 hours ago, Gavan said:

This is beautiful 

Poole fans all up in arms because another side have the foresight to make a good change

Poole speedway the team who have cheated and bent the rules over the years complaining when another team acts within the rules 

Lovely to see the Poole mob crying 

Still time for Poole to react. (all in the best interest of the sport)

[LisaColette]

4 minutes ago, Jaizer said:

Here lies a question. Highly hypothetical but if there is a championship next season and tarasenko wants to ride in it for Glasgow. Will he still be on the 5 as not enough meetings for a real average or if close the loophole will he be on an assessed average based on prem?

Don't think it will stay assessed as it is changing on 28/8 anyway? 

[LisaColette]

1 minute ago, IronScorpion said:

Still time for Poole to react. (all in the best interest of the sport)

Really don't think that will happen. 

[IronScorpion]

2 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

I have an issue with the rule, as it’s quite frankly ridiculous. I don’t have an issue with Glasgow trying to exploit the rule. How can a 5 point PL rider be a 5 point Championship rider? It’s a nonsense and will end this years league championship.

The problem is the rule as it based EVERY rider riding in all the leagues in Poland, Sweden & Denmark on the same average. Ekstraliga riders should be at least an 8.

[Jaizer]

5 minutes ago, lisa-colette said:

Don't think it will stay assessed as it is changing on 28/8 anyway? 

But will be assessed in the champ as won't have achieved average at point of signing. I think. I mean surely his average isn't going to jump to over 9 before he's ridden a meeting? That would be bonkers 

[IronScorpion]

26 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said:

Is what it is. Rules there to be taken advantage of not Glasgows fault the sport is run by idiots. 

Glasgow probably checked all was ok with their lawyers

[arnieg]

31 minutes ago, Jaizer said:

Here lies a question. Highly hypothetical but if there is a championship next season and tarasenko wants to ride in it for Glasgow. Will he still be on the 5 as not enough meetings for a real average or if close the loophole will he be on an assessed average based on prem?

One would imagine that the rules (which haven't been written yet, so definitely hypothetical) would either be that his real average takes precedence or it is the higher of tye two so his Prem average would be the one to count.

There are other possibilities, for example a weighted average: 

 

m x 1.3 x prem average + n x Champ ave

-----‐------------‐---------------------------------------------

                             m + n

 

Where m and n are the number of matches used in determining respective league's greensheets

             

Edited August 24, 2023 by arnieg

[IronScorpion]

25 minutes ago, Jaizer said:

Here lies a question. Highly hypothetical but if there is a championship next season and tarasenko wants to ride in it for Glasgow. Will he still be on the 5 as not enough meetings for a real average or if close the loophole will he be on an assessed average based on prem?

Scott Nicholls wanted to ride in the Championship, got stopped, got lawyers in, then was accepted.

Everyone saying that the rules are wrong, worded wrongly, loopholes galore but until a group is put together of ex promoters, managers, riders to make up an impartial committee with rules to suit then British Speedway will continue to struggle.

[Steve Shovlar]

28 minutes ago, IronScorpion said:

Still time for Poole to react. (all in the best interest of the sport)

We don’t need to. The Fords got their team building right from the start of the season and didn’t have to go around throwing a massive wad of cash at the death of the season to compete, like Belle Vue did last year with Lambert.

 

[arnieg]

26 minutes ago, IronScorpion said:

The problem is the rule as it based EVERY rider riding in all the leagues in Poland, Sweden & Denmark on the same average. Ekstraliga riders should be at least an 8.

Yes as is obvious from Tarasenko (an Ekstraliga heatleader) and Wojdylo (a league one second string) the same average.

It would be like giving Jye Etheridge and Brady Kurtz the same average.

Edited August 24, 2023 by arnieg

[SPEEDY69]

I don't think it should be when they sign but when their first meeting is. 

[Bagpuss]

11 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

We don’t need to. The Fords got their team building right from the start of the season and didn’t have to go around throwing a massive wad of cash at the death of the season to compete, like Belle Vue did last year with Lambert.

There was me thinking Robert replaced a rider who's season had been finished by injury.

To be fair the rule which determines Tarasenko's average is complete bobbins. However the idea that Glasgow will now waltz to the title is daft, he will make them stronger but their shortcomings are still present. It now makes it a three horse race rather than two. And I'd be surprised if they've had to break the bank to get him to ride....he's over here with bikes and a workshop etc already, his racing abroad is now finished and he's probably grateful for the extra meetings.

Edited August 24, 2023 by Bagpuss

[Ben91]

No issue with Glasgow making a signing the rules allow them to make but this is beyond the pale in terms of ridiculousness. The bloke has the same assessed average in both leagues. Stupid. 

British Speedway strikes again. 

[Gazc]

37 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

We don’t need to. The Fords got their team building right from the start of the season and didn’t have to go around throwing a massive wad of cash at the death of the season to compete, like Belle Vue did last year with Lambert.

 

How much has it cost us ?

Serious question.

[snapper]

A six pack of Irn bru (full sugar) 24 Carmel Wafers and a deep fried Mars Bar after every home meeting