Cast1rn Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 They Key word is Assessed, "To judge or decide the amount, value l, quality or importance of something" But the judging criteria is based on "wether they have ridden in Poland, Sweden or Denmark" if they have they get a 5 Or Having never ridden in Poland, Sweden or Denmark..... It's a 4. Nothing to do with wether they rode as a heat leader or reserve, nothing to do with what actual league did they ride in Poland, nothing to do with their averages they have obtained in their foreign league, nothing to do with how did they perform in their countries individual competition. Probably devised by the same people that decided out of a potential 30+ meetings in the championship this year only 50% of those will count towards a "calculated match average" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eide67 Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 48 minutes ago, Jaizer said: I mean going by these rules you'd have to say yes And it looks like Bartosz Zmarzlik would be on a 5 in the Championship! The relevant rule is: 010.2.2 Assessed MA’s Given to riders who: - a) are new to British Speedway or are without an established MA b) fails to achieve an established (or converted) MA below the 2.00 minimum Speedway Control Bureau Regulations 96 c) have to apply for a new CoS due to transferring from the Premiership to Championship if the riders established MA is below the minimum required as a new entrant Assessed rider gradings are calculated as follows: - Riders new to Premiership League racing are categorised as follows: - a) a rider riding in a professional league in the previous or current season will be assessed on a Grading List. Based upon results obtained in all other professional Speedway leagues and given an Assessed MA accordingly Riders new to Championship League racing are categorised as follows: - a) a rider riding in Danish, Swedish or Polish Leagues in a previous or current season will enter on a 5.00 MA b) a rider who has never ridden in a Danish, Swedish or Polish league will enter on a 4.00 MA c) a new rider with a British Passport who is eligible to participate in the NDL will enter on a 2.00 MA No rider with a current or previously assessed MA, other than a rider who has never achieved an MA in a professional league, can drop below 4.00 at any time during the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 Seems pretty clear that he will come in on a 5 and from what I have heard ok,d by the man at the top but other clubs have disagreed with it so can’t be declared till it’s sorted just dragging it out really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmarsbar2 Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, eide67 said: And it looks like Bartosz Zmarzlik would be on a 5 in the Championship! The relevant rule is: 010.2.2 Assessed MA’s Given to riders who: - a) are new to British Speedway or are without an established MA b) fails to achieve an established (or converted) MA below the 2.00 minimum Speedway Control Bureau Regulations 96 c) have to apply for a new CoS due to transferring from the Premiership to Championship if the riders established MA is below the minimum required as a new entrant Assessed rider gradings are calculated as follows: - Riders new to Premiership League racing are categorised as follows: - a) a rider riding in a professional league in the previous or current season will be assessed on a Grading List. Based upon results obtained in all other professional Speedway leagues and given an Assessed MA accordingly Riders new to Championship League racing are categorised as follows: - a) a rider riding in Danish, Swedish or Polish Leagues in a previous or current season will enter on a 5.00 MA b) a rider who has never ridden in a Danish, Swedish or Polish league will enter on a 4.00 MA c) a new rider with a British Passport who is eligible to participate in the NDL will enter on a 2.00 MA No rider with a current or previously assessed MA, other than a rider who has never achieved an MA in a professional league, can drop below 4.00 at any time during the season. Emil and Artum had 8 point assessed averages this season so presumably Bartosz would as well. I'm sure if a championship team tried to sign an elite rider on an assessed average then it would be blocked by his Ekstraliga team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, gmarsbar2 said: Emil and Artum had 8 point assessed averages this season so presumably Bartosz would as well. I'm sure if a championship team tried to sign an elite rider on an assessed average then it would be blocked by his Ekstraliga team Yes, but reading those rules posted by eide67, it does indeed read as if Zmarzlik would be a 5 in the championship, obviously it would be blocked yes. But just proves how inconsistent and ridiculous the rulebook really is. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 1 hour ago, mac101 said: unless they have ridden here before and had a proper ave i think there is a bit of difference between assessed average and then getting a proper ave like Rew now a 4 in premiership but would be nearer 6 in championship I thought you could not gain an average LESS than your assessed average? Rew was re-assessed from 5 to 4 when Emil was brought in but I do not know why the ruling changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 22 minutes ago, mac101 said: Seems pretty clear that he will come in on a 5 and from what I have heard ok,d by the man at the top but other clubs have disagreed with it so can’t be declared till it’s sorted just dragging it out really More to do with him being announced then immeadiately requiring a 'facility' as he is due to ride in Denmark on Wednesday - and on further Wednesdays if his Danish club progress to play-offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: More to do with him being announced then immeadiately requiring a 'facility' as he is due to ride in Denmark on Wednesday - and on further Wednesdays if his Danish club progress to play-offs. Are facility’s for riders not allowed now ? when you only have 7 days to find a rider before the cut off date it’s going to be pretty hard to sort out his meetings Edited August 22, 2023 by mac101 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: More to do with him being announced then immeadiately requiring a 'facility' as he is due to ride in Denmark on Wednesday - and on further Wednesdays if his Danish club progress to play-offs. And Denmark have followed suit with Poland in extending their racing days, now using Wednesday & Thursday. Poland having now used Saturday/Sunday as main race days, Thursday as the alternative day as agreed to allow riders to race in 3 leagues but, also, have raced on Monday, Wednesday & Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 Bartoz Smarslek is on £1200/1500 a point you find the team that can afford £22,500 a night for one rider !!! plus I'm sure he's not going to have a sign on fee of a bottle of Irn Bru and Scotch pie. Rules aren't written for eventualities that haven't been forseen. But we're talking about a number 2 riding in the 2nd Division in Poland who's going well round Peterborough. So again if the alleged teams representatives are dragging their heels because they're concerned that one rider could stop their team finishing top. He cannot drop into reserve and get 7 rides, he is replacing another pole who had scored in every one of his last 21 heats!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, Cast1rn said: Bartoz Smarslek is on £1200/1500 a point you find the team that can afford £22,500 a night for one rider !!! plus I'm sure he's not going to have a sign on fee of a bottle of Irn Bru and Scotch pie. Rules aren't written for eventualities that haven't been forseen. But we're talking about a number 2 riding in the 2nd Division in Poland who's going well round Peterborough. So again if the alleged teams representatives are dragging their heels because they're concerned that one rider could stop their team finishing top. He cannot drop into reserve and get 7 rides, he is replacing another pole who had scored in every one of his last 21 heats!! They can have me for the Irn Brew and Scotch Pie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 Just now, Fromafar said: They can have me for the Irn Brew and Scotch Pie. pushing your luck there lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, Cast1rn said: Bartoz Smarslek is on £1200/1500 a point you find the team that can afford £22,500 a night for one rider !!! plus I'm sure he's not going to have a sign on fee of a bottle of Irn Bru and Scotch pie. Rules aren't written for eventualities that haven't been forseen. But we're talking about a number 2 riding in the 2nd Division in Poland who's going well round Peterborough. So again if the alleged teams representatives are dragging their heels because they're concerned that one rider could stop their team finishing top. He cannot drop into reserve and get 7 rides, he is replacing another pole who had scored in every one of his last 21 heats!! All it proves is the rulebook is a complete mess, everything should be foreseen if they want integrity in the sport. It's how ridiculous occurrences happen and how people can bend the rules to suit their own agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, therefused said: All it proves is the rulebook is a complete mess, everything should be foreseen if they want integrity in the sport. It's how ridiculous occurrences happen and how people can bend the rules to suit their own agenda. This where the much used “in the best interests of the sport” rule pops up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeyin Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Fromafar said: This where the much used “in the best interests of the sport” rule Edited August 22, 2023 by Weeyin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 27 minutes ago, therefused said: All it proves is the rulebook is a complete mess, everything should be foreseen if they want integrity in the sport. It's how ridiculous occurrences happen and how people can bend the rules to suit their own agenda. I 100% agree that the rulebook is a mess and laughable at times, but you cant foresee the unforeseeable. If a ridiculously wealthy gentleman/person/toaster had money to burn and liked the smell of burning methanol and told any GP rider that he'll pay them £1500 a point and £10 a mile you'd have any team packed with them before you knew it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelinho Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 1 hour ago, mac101 said: Seems pretty clear that he will come in on a 5 and from what I have heard ok,d by the man at the top but other clubs have disagreed with it so can’t be declared till it’s sorted just dragging it out really Disagreed according to which rule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Noelinho said: Disagreed according to which rule? Riders new to Championship League racing are categorised as follows: - a) a rider riding in Danish, Swedish or Polish Leagues in a previous or current season will enter on a 5.00 MA b) a rider who has never ridden in a Danish, Swedish or Polish league will enter on a 4.00 MA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 1 hour ago, mac101 said: Seems pretty clear that he will come in on a 5 and from what I have heard ok,d by the man at the top but other clubs have disagreed with it so can’t be declared till it’s sorted just dragging it out really And this is the problem.....teams with whom Glasgow directly compete having a say on who they can and can't sign. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W9 Lion Posted August 22, 2023 Report Share Posted August 22, 2023 20 hours ago, arnieg said: You may well be right, but it was remarkable how many people believed if without a shred of evidence. Well it is the British Speedway Forum.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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