ragdoll64 Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, tyretrax said: In hindsight I would agree but if rode like he did the last time it would have been O.K. Maybe the changes in his personal life are the reason. Yeah, I think we all expected him to make a bigger leap forward this year than he has so far. Seemed to have much more fight in him last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 He's not Mad Marcin this time round. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 23 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Think bringing Nowak back was a mistake.IMo Everyone seems to miss who Nowak was brought in to replace. It was Broc Nicol, not Connor or Danyon. Everyone's expectations were based on a guy riding at number 6 with only 9 meetings in the UK. Again as the other informed forum members have stated it's about TEAM building, you have to make it fit with 7 riders. Basso Brennan and Harris left enough for 5,5,4,2 to fill the team that's it, no more no less. So when the statements of "it was a mistake".What else would you have done?? People have said, "oh we could've got another Dane like Bastian in", but again the reality is you can bring in any rider on a 5 average and they could be an instant flop or you can get a gem. Glasgow seemed to have gone with a guy who had 9 British meetings under his belt with the hope of improving. I agree he's maybe a point/point and a half short of where I'd hope he'd be at,but by Christ he's not as shockingly bad as Broc was last year, the difference being we had two strong Reserves to support Broc we don't have that at present. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 7 hours ago, cinderfella said: So if that reasoning remains constant we can expect a few new faces in The Stripes next season if not this? Depends what the team building averages are? If they go as low as 36, if that's the case expect to see 70% of the team change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 14 minutes ago, Cast1rn said: Depends what the team building averages are? If they go as low as 36, if that's the case expect to see 70% of the team change. Indeed if the rumours of the PL and CL amalgamating are true big change to team construction will be required. If the change does go ahead I just hope the CL Promoters hold their ground and don't let the declining PL guys dictate what's happening. Maybe something akin to the old RIDER CONTROL will be required to balance teams out though I can't see that being popular with all riders. But if they want a team place then hey ho go with the flow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 59 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Think bringing Nowak back was a mistake.IMo How much, if at all, did he ride in Poland last year? A year out is a long time. Personally I think over the years Glasgow have been guilty of building a team around guys who can ride Ashfield forgetting titles are won away from home. Yes you want Ashfield as a fortress but arguably the track is so good and fair it doesn't always give a home advantage so visiting racers can do damage. Equally our reserves haven't dominated at home. Ideally home reserves should be getting the upper hand on visiting counterparts and even beating s/s and the occasional h/l. Who can ever forget our two reserves, David McAllan and Trent Leverington scoring a 5-1 against Newport's top two Craig Watson and Frank Smart? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, cinderfella said: How much, if at all, did he ride in Poland last year? A year out is a long time. Personally I think over the years Glasgow have been guilty of building a team around guys who can ride Ashfield forgetting titles are won away from home. Yes you want Ashfield as a fortress but arguably the track is so good and fair it doesn't always give a home advantage so visiting racers can do damage. Equally our reserves haven't dominated at home. Ideally home reserves should be getting the upper hand on visiting counterparts and even beating s/s and the occasional h/l. Who can ever forget our two reserves, David McAllan and Trent Leverington scoring a 5-1 against Newport's top two Craig Watson and Frank Smart? He rode in Poland last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, cinderfella said: How much, if at all, did he ride in Poland last year? A year out is a long time. He raced all season for Lodz in the first division. That's what stopped him racing for us last year. Then We had Connor and and Danyon at reserve which would've been cool to see how that would've worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickinho Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 11 hours ago, szkocjasid said: My thoughts exactly, Connor winning yesterday didn't "prove" anything to the Glasgow promotion, they already knew he is good around Ashfield & I'm sure they are delighted for him. His away form will be the reason he was let go. What i noticed about Connor Bailey on Sunday is that he has finally developed a ruthless streak. Last year when he gated he always looked odds on to stay ahead but when he didn't gate he rarely passed anyone. Sunday's final showed that he has finally taken another step in his development and it was great to witness. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickinho Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 (edited) The British U21 Final was fantastic and it was great to see Connor take the title and it was well deserved as he really dug in after a poor performance in his opening ride. However, i was very disappointed by the turnout on Sunday and if it hadn't been for the merry troubadours of Plymouth, the usual suspects from Armadale and one or two from Manchester and Redcar the stadium would have been almost empty. Really sad to see so few Glasgow fans turning out on what was a nice day weather-wise and good racing speedway-wise with a final heat worthy of an SGP final. On another note, the new seating on bend 3 looks really good although on wetter days it could probably have done with some covering. Edited July 18, 2023 by Nickinho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, Nickinho said: The British U21 Final was fantastic and it was great to see Connor take the title and it was well deserved as he really dug in after a poor performance in his opening ride. However, i was very disappointed by the turnout on Sunday and if it hadn't been for the merry troubadours of Plymouth, the usual suspects from Armadale and one or two from Manchester and Redcar the stadium would have been almost empty. Really sad to see so few Glasgow fans turning out on what was a nice day weather-wise and good racing speedway-wise with a final heat worthy of an SGP final. On another note, the new seating on bend 3 looks really good although on wetter days it could probably have done with some covering. The weather forecast was not great and people like myself are not prepared to travel giving the experiences of riders attitudes if damp, raining or wet tracks.Scottish weather is so local and unpredictable it certainly doesn’t help matters. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 1 hour ago, cinderfella said: Indeed if the rumours of the PL and CL amalgamating are true big change to team construction will be required. If the change does go ahead I just hope the CL Promoters hold their ground and don't let the declining PL guys dictate what's happening. Maybe something akin to the old RIDER CONTROL will be required to balance teams out though I can't see that being popular with all riders. But if they want a team place then hey ho go with the flow! The simple way is to have a points limit for heatleaders (as well as the overall points limit). And have an accurate conversion factor between the leagues ÷1.5 is monstrously inaccurate) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 34 minutes ago, arnieg said: The simple way is to have a points limit for heatleaders (as well as the overall points limit). And have an accurate conversion factor between the leagues ÷1.5 is monstrously inaccurate) Yeah I recall a few seasons back the averages were so misleading. I think it was Michael Palm Toft who was top of the Peterborough averages in the PL but was only fourth in the Redcar averages in the lower division. The whole doubling up situation made a mockery of the averages between divisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirao Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 2 hours ago, cinderfella said: Indeed if the rumours of the PL and CL amalgamating are true big change to team construction will be required. If the change does go ahead I just hope the CL Promoters hold their ground and don't let the declining PL guys dictate what's happening. Maybe something akin to the old RIDER CONTROL will be required to balance teams out though I can't see that being popular with all riders. But if they want a team place then hey ho go with the flow! If we go to a combined league next year, will we retain the Monday/Thursday fixed race nights. Don't think that would be popular with some Championship sides. If we don't then I can't see any Premiership riders who aren't riding in the Championship this year - guys like Kurtz, Lidsey, Ellis, Doyle at al - riding in the UK next year. So we're essentially dividing up the riders in the Championship's nine teams among however many teams want to join the new combined league. Rider control looks both inevitable and necessary. Points limit could be as low as 30! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirao Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 3 hours ago, ragdoll64 said: Yeah, I think we all expected him to make a bigger leap forward this year than he has so far. Seemed to have much more fight in him last year. Our expectations in recent years have often been unrealistic. Some reckoned Nowak would achieve a 7.00 average but didn't seem to understand that riding at two, partnering Chris Harris, he would need to score 7+3 in most meetings. Right now his GSA is 5.50 while his CMA is 6.90 - figuers from the BSPL site. Fully accept that his riding doesnt have the same zest as previously but let's keep our expectations in check. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragdoll64 Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: The weather forecast was not great and people like myself are not prepared to travel giving the experiences of riders attitudes if damp, raining or wet tracks.Scottish weather is so local and unpredictable it certainly doesn’t help matters. Plus it was the start of the Glasgow Fair holiday. I was actually dubious about making the 50 mile round trip due to the predicted weather forecast. I wonder how many more were put off by that? Turned out there was no rain whatsoever at the stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 20 minutes ago, Beirao said: I can't see any Premiership riders who aren't riding in the Championship this year - guys like Kurtz, Lidsey, Ellis, Doyle at al - riding in the UK next year. The CL has managed fine without these guys for years and the standard of racing is just as high if not better. Personally I think a league would be just fine without these guys and British racing wouldn't be disrupted to the same level. I'm still of the opinion the GP series should be expanded to at least double the number of rounds it currently has with the riders only competing in the GPs and leaving the leagues alone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Beirao said: If we go to a combined league next year, will we retain the Monday/Thursday fixed race nights. Don't think that would be popular with some Championship sides. If we don't then I can't see any Premiership riders who aren't riding in the Championship this year - guys like Kurtz, Lidsey, Ellis, Doyle at al - riding in the UK next year. So we're essentially dividing up the riders in the Championship's nine teams among however many teams want to join the new combined league. Rider control looks both inevitable and necessary. Points limit could be as low as 30! Don’t think the Mon/Thurs would help Speedway in General if there was a merger. Championship does not have to bow too Premiership demands .IMO.Premiership is the League in the most difficulty let them get on with it. Edited July 18, 2023 by Fromafar 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirao Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 41 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Don’t think the Mon/Thurs would help Speedway in General if there was a merger. Championship does not have to bow too Premiership demands .IMO.Premiership is the League in the most difficulty let them get on with it. Quite agree with you Fromafar , we certainly shouldn't go for the fixed Mon/Thurs race nights. A combined league will have a lower standard than the current Championship so don't know how fans of Premiership sides will react to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted July 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Beirao said: Quite agree with you Fromafar , we certainly shouldn't go for the fixed Mon/Thurs race nights. A combined league will have a lower standard than the current Championship so don't know how fans of Premiership sides will react to that. Correct. Given reason Glasgow and Poole are in this league is because of the fixed race nights (amongst other things) would be very dangerous to impose them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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