Noelinho Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 (edited) 50 minutes ago, SharpenRake said: And with only Championship meetings counting towards averages it is easier to do so. Also if you score bonus points, you get paid the same but your average can drop. For example, score 12 from 4 in every meeting you have a 12 point average. Score 8+ 4 from 4 in every meeting and you have an 8 point average and yet you haven't been beaten by an opposition rider. This only really helps a team if they don’t want to keep the rider finishing in front. Although it helps to suppress the average of the rider getting the bonus points (which will definitely help him), it doesn’t materially change the points average for the team… unless they want to let the lead rider go. Edited July 7, 2023 by Noelinho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: Let’s just face up to the facts, they know how to build a good Team.They do it most years.They might even be looking to next season already regarding the averages and keeping them in check. Absolutely. There's a winning culture at the club. They are well supported, well sponsored and well managed. Everything you want your own club to be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpenRake Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 57 minutes ago, Noelinho said: This only really helps a team if they don’t want to keep the rider finishing in front. Although it helps to suppress the average of the rider getting the bonus points (which will definitely help him), it doesn’t materially change the points average for the team… unless they want to let the lead rider go. If a team is going to win trophies they will have to lose a rider or riders the following season. And its not a case of riders making it so obvious that they always score 8+4, I was just using that as an example of how averages are currently calculated and how they can be manipulated by teams and for that matter individual riders. Poole had to let one of their heat leaders go at the end of last season. They could have kept their top two riders, based on averages - Worrall and King both 8.05 - and would have still been under the limit. But they chose Richard, despite his average being less than the other two. Why, because they knew he is a far better rider than both of them despite his 7.97 Green sheet average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz9100 Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 37 minutes ago, SharpenRake said: If a team is going to win trophies they will have to lose a rider or riders the following season. And its not a case of riders making it so obvious that they always score 8+4, I was just using that as an example of how averages are currently calculated and how they can be manipulated by teams and for that matter individual riders. Poole had to let one of their heat leaders go at the end of last season. They could have kept their top two riders, based on averages - Worrall and King both 8.05 - and would have still been under the limit. But they chose Richard, despite his average being less than the other two. Why, because they knew he is a far better rider than both of them despite his 7.97 Green sheet average. Richard was also chosen as he's a Poole asset so no loan fees to pay compared to Steve or Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 4 hours ago, Cast1rn said: Now now Lisa, what was the difference Vs Scunthorpe?? Who was missing. And who got 15 for Redcar Well you got rid of 2 riders who were decent at Poole. Never thought Craig Cook would be better at Poole than Basso, but that is the world we live in now. Must be the surname! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 3 hours ago, lisa-colette said: Well you got rid of 2 riders who were decent at Poole. Never thought Craig Cook would be better at Poole than Basso, but that is the world we live in now. Must be the surname! That wasn't the question Lisa, you stated that Scunthorpe didn't struggle at Poole, 49-41 with Duggy getting 18. You had Sedgemen guesting at 5 and scoring 7. Did Poole maybe not pass on "the little special start trick up your sleeves" that good old Richie mentioned on BSN on Wednesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 7 hours ago, Fromafar said: They know what they are doing,last season was example. Zach Cooks, 4.6 was a colossal joke, his playoff and cup average was over 7, last year's averages were based on 10 meetings, this year is 20 so it's harder to adjust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 7 hours ago, Skidder1 said: I must say I'm loving all these posts about Poole on the Glasgow2023 thread!! Because the defeat at Poole is what's being discussed? The one Glasgow were at? Hence the post on a Glasgow thread. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Noelinho said: This only really helps a team if they don’t want to keep the rider finishing in front. Although it helps to suppress the average of the rider getting the bonus points (which will definitely help him), it doesn’t materially change the points average for the team… unless they want to let the lead rider go. Logically every rider should try to finish behind a guest when getting a 5-1 or 3-3, lowers their average, but doesn't affect the guest Edited July 7, 2023 by szkocjasid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 7 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Logically every rider should try to finish behind a guest when getting a 5-1 or 3-3, lowers their average, but doesn't affect the guest And (subject to constraints of maximum ride rule) every reserve substitution should be preceeded by a tape touching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 1 hour ago, arnieg said: And (subject to constraints of maximum ride rule) every reserve substitution should be preceeded by a tape touching Tape touching / 2 minute exclusions don't count towards your average (unless you're not replaced) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 1 hour ago, szkocjasid said: Tape touching / 2 minute exclusions don't count towards your average (unless you're not replaced) Tape touching does 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabas Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 Poole and their little trick at Wimborne Road...its called cheating that's why the sport is in a mess they just don't get it do they all about trophies for them win at all costs where is the entertainment pirates have awful entertainment now & a horrible track & don't go on about holder & ward a long time ago when yes they had a better track & good racers ...now its rotten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 34 minutes ago, Cabbageman said: Poole and their little trick at Wimborne Road...its called cheating that's why the sport is in a mess they just don't get it do they all about trophies for them win at all costs where is the entertainment pirates have awful entertainment now & a horrible track & don't go on about holder & ward a long time ago when yes they had a better track & good racers ...now its rotten I have no idea about the little trick or why you think it is cheating.I would agree we have had a dodgy past in that regard but dont see the cheating bit now, perhaps you could explain.The track is not horrible and does produce alot of passing maybe not every meeting like Ashfield or Redcar but it does produce good racing in general. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 42 minutes ago, Cabbageman said: Poole and their little trick at Wimborne Road...its called cheating that's why the sport is in a mess they just don't get it do they all about trophies for them win at all costs where is the entertainment pirates have awful entertainment now & a horrible track & don't go on about holder & ward a long time ago when yes they had a better track & good racers ...now its rotten Cabbage by name, cabbage between the ears. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 48 minutes ago, Cabbageman said: Poole and their little trick at Wimborne Road...its called cheating that's why the sport is in a mess they just don't get it do they all about trophies for them win at all costs where is the entertainment pirates have awful entertainment now & a horrible track & don't go on about holder & ward a long time ago when yes they had a better track & good racers ...now its rotten What on earth are you on about? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 46 minutes ago, Cabbageman said: Poole and their little trick at Wimborne Road...its called cheating that's why the sport is in a mess they just don't get it do they all about trophies for them win at all costs where is the entertainment pirates have awful entertainment now & a horrible track & don't go on about holder & ward a long time ago when yes they had a better track & good racers ...now its rotten I'm afraid even as a tigers fan I cannot agree with you here, it's not cheating, it's just doctored starts to benefit the home riders, Danny king said it a few weeks ago, Richie Lawson confirmed it last week (bet the Poole management wish he hadn't said that on the TV )but it's definitely not Cheating!!! The funny thing is I'm sure our season tickets and theirs are similarly priced and we've got more passes in one meeting than they have all season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 Is it a parody account? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Cast1rn said: I'm afraid even as a tigers fan I cannot agree with you here, it's not cheating, it's just doctored starts to benefit the home riders, Danny king said it a few weeks ago, Richie Lawson confirmed it last week (bet the Poole management wish he hadn't said that on the TV )but it's definitely not Cheating!!! The funny thing is I'm sure our season tickets and theirs are similarly priced and we've got more passes in one meeting than they have all season. We get plenty of passes at Poole thanks maybe not as many as Glasgow or Redcar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 5 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Tape touching / 2 minute exclusions don't count towards your average (unless you're not replaced) 3 hours ago, arnieg said: Tape touching does I'm 99% sure it doesn't (unless they're not replaced) otherwise a teams riders will have ridden more than 30 rides between them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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