Jaizer Posted June 29, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Cabbageman said: I know marcins average & claus yes they are doing ok but as I said msrcin is the weak link In top 5 claus is faster at home & has more aggression marcin if beaten at gate sticks to same line & tries to pass inside bend 1&2 every time , as for top 5 a top reserve is more important than the 5th rider in top 5 ie marcin a reserve can take 7 rides & is a trump card ppl who don't understand the importance of a good reserve don't know how to win in speedway ...ask mr winner himself Neil middleditch he will tell you all how it's done take heed ...he knows as for tigers I'll say it again for the ppl on here who don't get it ...tigers are not winning anything this Yr with ace & Lee at 6&7 fact , it's not all about the top 5 the reserves are the key to a trophy What gives you the arrogance to think you're the only person who understands how to build a team. And while we're at it I'll ask who did the enemy have at reserve when they had cook, masters sedgy etc and won the league at a canter? Absolutely no trump cards. Aaron fox and clegg who struggled to maintain a 3 all season!!! Edited June 29, 2023 by Jaizer . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc131 Posted June 29, 2023 Report Share Posted June 29, 2023 51 minutes ago, cinderfella said: The only way NDL riders are going to improve is by bringing a heat change formula for the reserves. I'd suggest that the four reserves only race against each other in 4 heats with one start from each gate. Only way to improve is racing better riders. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 29, 2023 Report Share Posted June 29, 2023 13 hours ago, Cabbageman said: I know about team building I also know tigers won't win anything with our reserves they are our weakest link ace on a 2 is what it is but there were several riders available better than Lee on his average which I don't need to go on about as they were taken by other teams that's not rocket science, but as for now it's clear we need to change & don't any idiot go on about who there are several Australians we cud bring in who wud be an upgrade tate zitchke an obvious one & a few Scandinavians as well , they are out there ppl , also some teenage kids who are better lee just isn't at it at all I just don't see it at all he's still bulky on the bike slow lacking speed when beaten always looking at bike etc the national league is Lees level I take no joy in this because he's very popular at glasgow but that won't win us anything fact ...v Poole it will show trust me then its the usual oh well if we want to win then do something most of the ppl in the know can see ...while I'm on marcin isn't as fast as I was hoping this Yr & he could be doing a bit more when beaten gives up easily doesn't try hard enough when behind stays on same line etc he's on a 5 Ave so I know he's a bit higher but is only an opinion if we are to win anything nowak & vissing need to chip in & Lee needs to score ace is not gona win us anything as he's a project so we're told no pressure was the word for him this Yr so that was tigers decision I didn't agree as reserves for me arvas important as a no 1 they can take 7 rides a no 1 can't when a reserve wins same 3points as a no 1 ...in the words of Neil middleditch reserves win you meetings take not glasgow ...when we fail don't scratch ur head & say how did that happen ?? Also the pressure on Lee is unfair & no not from me from the tigers why because has got a free pass..Lee hasn't What would your Team built to a 40pt limit have been then.? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelinho Posted June 29, 2023 Report Share Posted June 29, 2023 10 hours ago, Cabbageman said: I know marcins average & claus yes they are doing ok but as I said msrcin is the weak link In top 5 claus is faster at home & has more aggression marcin if beaten at gate sticks to same line & tries to pass inside bend 1&2 every time , as for top 5 a top reserve is more important than the 5th rider in top 5 ie marcin a reserve can take 7 rides & is a trump card ppl who don't understand the importance of a good reserve don't know how to win in speedway ...ask mr winner himself Neil middleditch he will tell you all how it's done take heed ...he knows as for tigers I'll say it again for the ppl on here who don't get it ...tigers are not winning anything this Yr with ace & Lee at 6&7 fact , it's not all about the top 5 the reserves are the key to a trophy You say Marcin is weak at 5, but then you also say reserves are more important. Well, if Marcin is weak, you need someone with a higher average. But then if the reserves are weak too, you need reserves with higher averages. So you’re now shoving in three riders with higher averages. Out of Bomber, Claus, Tom and Ben, who are you kicking out to make way for those in your team building? And when you’ve done it, was it worth it? Does it makes the team better to get rid of any of them? Theres more than one way to win. We saw Peterborough win with strength in depth. We saw Poole win with a reserve averaging 1.5. To be honest, the one of the biggest factors is healthy riders in September. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jamie Posted June 29, 2023 Report Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Jaizer said: What gives you the arrogance to think you're the only person who understands how to build a team. And while we're at it I'll ask who did the enemy have at reserve when they had cook, masters sedgy etc and won the league at a canter? Absolutely no trump cards. Aaron fox and clegg who struggled to maintain a 3 all season!!! 2014 we ended up with Sneddon and Fox at reserve. From memory, I think Fox finished on 3.50. 2015 we had Clegg and Branford at reserve all year. Both were well in excess of their starting averages (Clegg 3.48, Branford 3.40). As you say, not exactly 'trump cards' but they certainly did a steady job throughout. In 2014, Steve Worrall (3.00!) and Sedgy (4.something) started at reserve. Sneddon (5.5ish) and Fox (5.00) started in the top 5 but were, unsurprisingly, overtaken. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted June 29, 2023 Report Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, mc131 said: Only way to improve is racing better riders. Perhaps the answer is revert to 13 heats and then have the second half where the second strings compete against the second strings/heat leaders in a rider of the night competition. It is probably fair to say that the majority of heat leaders have much better equipment etc, and unless a real gem comes along who has the skill a track craft to stop a rider passing it is better that they not thrown in at the deep end. Alternatively have six or five man teams in the top league and NDL riders excluded until they reach at least a second string status or a particularly average in one of the two other leagues which then gives them something to aim for without the same pressures. Just a thought and in no way is any criticism be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted June 29, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2023 19 minutes ago, King Jamie said: 2014 we ended up with Sneddon and Fox at reserve. From memory, I think Fox finished on 3.50. 2015 we had Clegg and Branford at reserve all year. Both were well in excess of their starting averages (Clegg 3.48, Branford 3.40). As you say, not exactly 'trump cards' but they certainly did a steady job throughout. In 2014, Steve Worrall (3.00!) and Sedgy (4.something) started at reserve. Sneddon (5.5ish) and Fox (5.00) started in the top 5 but were, unsurprisingly, overtaken. Clegg and Branford year I'm thinking of. Ah yes the year worrall load of rubbish finally clicked in the champ lol. That was a stroke of luck, finished with 5 HLs and 2 2nd strings!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jamie Posted June 29, 2023 Report Share Posted June 29, 2023 57 minutes ago, Jaizer said: Clegg and Branford year I'm thinking of. Ah yes the year worrall load of rubbish finally clicked in the champ lol. That was a stroke of luck, finished with 5 HLs and 2 2nd strings!! A stroke of luck you say? I prefer to think of it as a genius signing Truth is we only just fell over the line in 2014. Somerset rebuilt mid season and were totally transformed. We had 10.76 available for our final two signings at the start of the season. I wanted Theo Pijper (7.72) pus 'any random 3.00 rider' (wouldn't have mattered who, given the strength of the other 6). The promotion went with Sneddon and Fox. Whilst not one of my favourites, I do tip my hat to Fox for his vital 3rd place in heat 14 of the second leg, after Max Fricke had failed to beat his opposite number (Pontus Aspgren?) in the same race. Set up that unforgettable heat 15 when justice as done (justice being -- finish top = win league) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 29, 2023 Report Share Posted June 29, 2023 13 hours ago, Noelinho said: You say Marcin is weak at 5, but then you also say reserves are more important. Well, if Marcin is weak, you need someone with a higher average. But then if the reserves are weak too, you need reserves with higher averages. So you’re now shoving in three riders with higher averages. Out of Bomber, Claus, Tom and Ben, who are you kicking out to make way for those in your team building? And when you’ve done it, was it worth it? Does it makes the team better to get rid of any of them? Theres more than one way to win. We saw Peterborough win with strength in depth. We saw Poole win with a reserve averaging 1.5. To be honest, the one of the biggest factors is healthy riders in September. Very good points, can't wait for his reply 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilhouseZmarzlik Posted June 30, 2023 Report Share Posted June 30, 2023 7 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Very good points, can't wait for his reply I don't think he deals very well with logic... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted June 30, 2023 Report Share Posted June 30, 2023 If and only If there are too be changes I do hope the management know they have 26 days to do it, because someone's average is dropping by half a point after the next two meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickinho Posted June 30, 2023 Report Share Posted June 30, 2023 Meeting off MEETING OFF - Glasgow Tigers Speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 30, 2023 Report Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Cast1rn said: If and only If there are too be changes I do hope the management know they have 26 days to do it, because someone's average is dropping by half a point after the next two meetings. You could have Tate in for Complin? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirao Posted June 30, 2023 Report Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Cast1rn said: If and only If there are too be changes I do hope the management know they have 26 days to do it, because someone's average is dropping by half a point after the next two meetings. Surely it depends on how they score in these meetings. If the July cut off is around the 23rd, then we have four meetings to be counted - Redcar (H), Plymouth (A), Birmingham (A) and Oxford (A) and possibly Oxford (H) if it is rearranged in July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted June 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 minute ago, lisa-colette said: You could have Tate in for Complin? I thought Tate did Denmark last year so would be a 5? Not entirely sure but thought I'd read that on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 30, 2023 Report Share Posted June 30, 2023 24 minutes ago, Nickinho said: Meeting off MEETING OFF - Glasgow Tigers Speedway It was called off by paulco at 11.30 ish yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 30, 2023 Report Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Jaizer said: I thought Tate did Denmark last year so would be a 5? Not entirely sure but thought I'd read that on here Yes, it was discussed but I think going on my memory which is never a good thing!, that he didn't do enough meetings for that to count, so would be a 4. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 30, 2023 Report Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 minute ago, IronScorpion said: It was called off by paulco at 11.30 ish yesterday. Paul called if off!! The power he has! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted June 30, 2023 Report Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Beirao said: Surely it depends on how they score in these meetings. If the July cut off is around the 23rd, then we have four meetings to be counted - Redcar (H), Plymouth (A), Birmingham (A) and Oxford (A) and possibly Oxford (H) if it is rearranged in July. He's on an assessed average he needed 8 matches to get a CMA, he's two short as I think the Newcastle meetings were not counted. My bad maths indicates he needs to score a lot in the next hand full of meetings to maintain his assessed average. **Lunchtime maths edit ** He needs to score 6 points in 3 out of the 4 meetings and 5 in the remainder just to maintain a 4 point average. Edited June 30, 2023 by Cast1rn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirao Posted June 30, 2023 Report Share Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Cast1rn said: He's on an assessed average he needed 8 matches to get a CMA, he's two short as I think the Newcastle meetings were not counted. My bad maths indicates he needs to score a lot in the next hand full of meetings to maintain his assessed average. **Lunchtime maths edit ** He needs to score 6 points in 3 out of the 4 meetings and 5 in the remainder just to maintain a 4 point average. BSPL site shows him to have had five meetings, though only four for the Tigers. Not sure how this is arrived at. His average is shown as 3.62 being 19 points from 21 rides, so 6 from one meeting and 4 in the rest would take him to a 4.00 figure, assuming four rides in each. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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