cinderfella Posted September 18, 2023 Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 22 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Well this year they planned ahead & the play-offs were supposed to start early. But then they didn't plan for poor weather in July / August holding thing up, meaning the play-offs are delayed, despite clubs only having to race 8 home league meetings. However did we manage to race over 20 home meetings back in the 60s and 70s? Oh yes a wee drop of rain didn't deter riders back then. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelinho Posted September 18, 2023 Report Share Posted September 18, 2023 1 hour ago, szkocjasid said: Well this year they planned ahead & the play-offs were supposed to start early. But then they didn't plan for poor weather in July / August holding thing up, meaning the play-offs are delayed, despite clubs only having to race 8 home league meetings. Our first league match was June 2nd. Seems like madness, but we had one match arranged for the first week of May [Oxford], which was rained off, and then completed after the original cut-off deadline. We only had four free Fridays from the beginning of April to the end of August (seems hard to believe) - it'd be interesting to know if anything was preventing matches those nights. I suspect SoN accounted for one. Maybe clubs just have to stomach guests more (cue universal outrage). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 9 hours ago, cinderfella said: However did we manage to race over 20 home meetings back in the 60s and 70s? Oh yes a wee drop of rain didn't deter riders back then. I think there's a lot more to it than that. The bikes are very different and much harder to ride in imperfect conditions, and promotions seem to be reluctant to run in front of rain affected crowds or pay expenses for rider's travel only for the meeting to be off anyway. Don't get me wrong, Brtish speedway has got itself in this hole. But if you are going to have play offs then the season needs organising much better than it has been recently. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: I think there's a lot more to it than that. The bikes are very different and much harder to ride in imperfect conditions, and promotions seem to be reluctant to run in front of rain affected crowds or pay expenses for rider's travel only for the meeting to be off anyway. Don't get me wrong, Brtish speedway has got itself in this hole. But if you are going to have play offs then the season needs organising much better than it has been recently. Next season could be interest given the number of closures we are hearing about. The PL certainly can't run with 5 teams so whether some PL teams move up, which I think is unlikely given enforced race nights, or the three current leagues amalgamate to become two it think teams will be looking at more fixtures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 15 hours ago, cinderfella said: Longtrack commitments Think that's why the earlier start time, Riss is in the longtrack too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Noelinho said: Our first league match was June 2nd. Seems like madness, but we had one match arranged for the first week of May [Oxford], which was rained off, and then completed after the original cut-off deadline. We only had four free Fridays from the beginning of April to the end of August (seems hard to believe) - it'd be interesting to know if anything was preventing matches those nights. I suspect SoN accounted for one. Maybe clubs just have to stomach guests more (cue universal outrage). One guest destroys any real credibility of the competition, therefore, you might as well have as many as you need to get regular racing on and get the league completed... They end up doing it anyway, all the time, so they can complete the season, (was it four for Plymouth last week?), therefore, what difference does it make when they do it? Just do it all season and get regular racing, and a completed fixture list before the colder dark nights of late September and October hit... Edited September 19, 2023 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 Guests and using alternative race nights would solve the fixture problems,it’s only the racing that most fans are there to see nowadays.Just give every rider a plastic trophy as they have all probably guest at some time during the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelinho Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Fromafar said: it’s only the racing that most fans are there to see. I'm not sure about that. At Ashfield, I think a sizeable chunk of people (maybe the younger fans more so?) are more excited about Ben, Bomber and Lee particularly. And probably Tarasenko now too. Or maybe we just have an exciting team... I would hope most fans would come regardless, but some riders definitely have a significant pull effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Noelinho said: I'm not sure about that. At Ashfield, I think a sizeable chunk of people (maybe the younger fans more so?) are more excited about Ben, Bomber and Lee particularly. And probably Tarasenko now too. Or maybe we just have an exciting team... I would hope most fans would come regardless, but some riders definitely have a significant pull effect. Would agree,it’s really just the results I’m on about.Who really cares who wins the matches nowadays ps would prefer if you quoted my whole posts,as others may think that was all I said. Edited September 19, 2023 by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 13 minutes ago, Noelinho said: I'm not sure about that. At Ashfield, I think a sizeable chunk of people (maybe the younger fans more so?) are more excited about Ben, Bomber and Lee particularly. And probably Tarasenko now too. Or maybe we just have an exciting team... I would hope most fans would come regardless, but some riders definitely have a significant pull effect. I have to admit that when I read that Shane Parker had been voted the greatest Tiger of all time I laughed. I though how could the present generation of fans compare him to Jimmy Mac or Charlie Monk (my boyhood hero's) and then it dawned on me that the previous generation would have said the same about Tommy Millar and Ken McKinlay and their predecessors. Having been lucky enough to have been brought up on 60s and 70s speedway this old dinosaur finds kevlars and lay downs a bit 2nd class. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickinho Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, cinderfella said: I have to admit that when I read that Shane Parker had been voted the greatest Tiger of all time I laughed. I though how could the present generation of fans compare him to Jimmy Mac or Charlie Monk (my boyhood hero's) and then it dawned on me that the previous generation would have said the same about Tommy Millar and Ken McKinlay and their predecessors. Having been lucky enough to have been brought up on 60s and 70s speedway this old dinosaur finds kevlars and lay downs a bit 2nd class. There's no debate. Lee Dicken is the greatest Tiger of all time. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickinho Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 (edited) Having see the Basso crash on YouTube he gets a really good start and does very well for three laps then Vaculik goes past him like Ben has suddenly switched to riding a lawnmower and i don't think Lebedevs was expecting Ben to be hugging that inside line so slowly. Still, Basso's very lucky to have walked away from that because it looked very similar to the terrible Gundersen crash from many moons ago. All action in Heat 10 #DanishSGP | FIM Speedway Grand Prix - YouTube Edited September 19, 2023 by Nickinho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted September 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 50 minutes ago, Nickinho said: There's no debate. Lee Dicken is the greatest Tiger of all time. How did we survive so many seasons of Dicken. Every winter first signing, way to get the supporters excited about the next season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 50 minutes ago, Jaizer said: How did we survive so many seasons of Dicken. Every winter first signing, way to get the supporters excited about the next season Canny diss big Lee , the guy is a cult hero . Remember once we were down at Somerset and we were getting a right doing . Big Lee comes out and wins heat 12 and does two laps of honour . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Paulco said: Canny diss big Lee , the guy is a cult hero . Remember once we were down at Somerset and we were getting a right doing . Big Lee comes out and wins heat 12 and does two laps of honour . Aye counting wasn't his strong point. Say why you want about Lee (I will) he always gave 100% 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted September 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, Paulco said: Canny diss big Lee , the guy is a cult hero . Remember once we were down at Somerset and we were getting a right doing . Big Lee comes out and wins heat 12 and does two laps of honour . Na sorry was never for me. Watching him round armadump was like watching Keith maben!! The guy tried hard I've no doubts about that, he just wasn't very good lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Jaizer said: Na sorry was never for me. Watching him round armadump was like watching Keith maben!! The guy tried hard I've no doubts about that, he just wasn't very good lol Superstar Keith Maben. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted September 19, 2023 Report Share Posted September 19, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Nickinho said: 9 hours ago, cinderfella said: I have to admit that when I read that Shane Parker had been voted the greatest Tiger of all time I laughed. Steve Lawson was voted Greatest Tiger of all time. Edited September 19, 2023 by tyretrax 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 9 hours ago, tyretrax said: With in his era ans statistically I would find it hard to argue with Steve Lawson being the GOAT but you can argue he never made it on the World stage against the top riders of his day whereas McKinlay and McMillan did. Keep forgetting about the impact Jayden O'Malley made for The Tigers - deliberately lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) Ken McKinlay. Six years a Tiger, then NINE World Finals, reserve at three more. Without doubt the greatest Scot of all time. In terms of service to the Tigers, Steve Lawson. Edited September 20, 2023 by crescent girl 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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