cinderfella Posted July 15, 2023 Report Share Posted July 15, 2023 29 minutes ago, Cast1rn said: Not really "better teams" I would say better foresight and use of the points limit. Last year and please correct me if I'm wrong, but not a single Poole rider was riding out of the country, I also believe only 3 of the riders were doubled up in the premier. So fatigue didn't seem to be an issue later on in the season. This year you got Zach Cook on a steal of an average which allowed to build a slightly stronger reserve pairing. The way things are looking I sadly think a few teams will close come the end of the season which would perhaps accelerate the change to two divisions and thus end the stupid doubling up situation. All doubling up has done is Rob fans of seeing riders and their machine operate at 100%. And it's not just at the top level. There are rider doubling up between CL and NDL and their scores show the toll it takes on them. As much as I don't want to see any club fold I do want to see the PL and CL amalgamate for the good of the sport. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted July 15, 2023 Report Share Posted July 15, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gazc said: Need to change every thread title then. They pollute every thread and think everyone else is interested, not all I must add but the usual suspects. I think that they're all trolls lead by Karen. A prediction she'll be on soon, unless of course I'm a liar and she won't. Edited July 15, 2023 by tyretrax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 15, 2023 Report Share Posted July 15, 2023 4 hours ago, Cast1rn said: Not really "better teams" I would say better foresight and use of the points limit. Last year and please correct me if I'm wrong, but not a single Poole rider was riding out of the country, I also believe only 3 of the riders were doubled up in the premier. So fatigue didn't seem to be an issue later on in the season. This year you got Zach Cook on a steal of an average which allowed to build a slightly stronger reserve pairing. Zach Cook rode in Poland last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted July 15, 2023 Report Share Posted July 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Skidder1 said: Zach Cook rode in Poland last year. Didn't know that, thanks @Skidder1 who was he riding for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted July 15, 2023 Report Share Posted July 15, 2023 On 7/14/2023 at 11:19 PM, proud panther said: Wish the Facenas were running Panthers. Improving the stadium every year, & putting very competitive teams out. Would have a few more trophies if they had a bit more luck with injuries as well, in my opinion. 11 hours ago, SharpenRake said: Excellent point that a lot of people tend to forget. Not sure it really matters if they were unlucky with injuries or not, for one you can never prove what will happen, secondly people will only remember the league winners, not a team unlucky with injuries - sadly that just a part of the sport. However Glasgow always put out a strong team & always near the top, many clubs would be far happier with that sort of record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 Rumoured at Edinburgh tonight that the tiggers are soon to sign a new rider, a certain young rider who turns 16 in August, a good prospect, but if true think he should just do a few guess bookings and start next season on a 2/3 average. Tiggers splashing the cash again ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds85 Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 Ashton Boughen then... Him and Ace at reserve would be terrible so I assume it's one or the other next season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Diamonds85 said: Ashton Boughen then... Him and Ace at reserve would be terrible so I assume it's one or the other next season I'd have thought the opporchancities at Leicester in the PL and NDL would have appealed to the lad more but the way things are heading with threats to three or four teams it looks like the PL & CL will be amalgamating next season so the too tier would be the same. Just hope if Glasgow do sign him they tie him up on a deal for a few years and he's not a one or two year deal wonder. Just out of interest what age is William Cairns? Edited July 16, 2023 by cinderfella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirao Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Neila said: Rumoured at Edinburgh tonight that the tiggers are soon to sign a new rider, a certain young rider who turns 16 in August, a good prospect, but if true think he should just do a few guess bookings and start next season on a 2/3 average. Tiggers splashing the cash again ? Not necessary as he wont get the eight league meetings required o get a "proper" average, so would still start 2024 on an assessed figure. Edited July 16, 2023 by Beirao 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabas Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 The kid ashton boughen is gonna be a big star he's destined for the top his racing style is immaculate reminds me of Dan Bewley not even 16 yet & mixing it with riders yrs ahead of him & not long on a bike so he will have a number of clubs after him ..but wud like to see tigers get him & give him several yrs contract as he's gonna rocket in the sport in a few yrs with more experience & better equipment etc he goes well round ashfield too , and no reason we can't have ace as well for the same reason he has a big future though that cud be tough in big league way it's looking both at reserve let's wait & see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 9 hours ago, Cast1rn said: Didn't know that, thanks @Skidder1 who was he riding for? Torun in the Tuesday U24 league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpenRake Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Not sure it really matters if they were unlucky with injuries or not, for one you can never prove what will happen, secondly people will only remember the league winners, not a team unlucky with injuries - sadly that just a part of the sport. However Glasgow always put out a strong team & always near the top, many clubs would be far happier with that sort of record. The two posts you quoted were in response to the so called Glasgow fan with chips on both shoulders. He suggested the Facennas might be good businessmen but knew nothing about speedway as they had won nothing. They built excellent teams but were unlucky with injuries which you can't legislate for. Not to mention everything else they have done for speedway. Edited July 16, 2023 by SharpenRake 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 7 hours ago, Diamonds85 said: Ashton Boughen then... Him and Ace at reserve would be terrible so I assume it's one or the other next season I dont think they'll take both next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, Cast1rn said: I dont think they'll take both next season. A lot could depend on the make up of the leagues next season. IF there is an amalgamation of PL & CL there will be a "shortage" of riders so perhaps changing the team building to include two NDL standard reserves could be a way round having enough riders while giving more opporchancities to new riders. Obviously some limitation may be required as some of the current NDL heat leaders who are doubling up are holding good CL averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 25 minutes ago, cinderfella said: A lot could depend on the make up of the leagues next season. IF there is an amalgamation of PL & CL there will be a "shortage" of riders so perhaps changing the team building to include two NDL standard reserves could be a way round having enough riders while giving more opporchancities to new riders. Obviously some limitation may be required as some of the current NDL heat leaders who are doubling up are holding good CL averages. I'm all for an amalgamation of the leagues my only concern would be would it still attract the GP riders? How many teams are we having in the league? What nights would they race on, 2 pointers coming from the NDL are suddenly going to be at the tapes with Emil,Artem,Tobias, jack,Max etc etc. The jump from the NDL is already colossus how much bigger a jump will it be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cast1rn Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, Neila said: Rumoured at Edinburgh tonight that the tiggers are soon to sign a new rider, a certain young rider who turns 16 in August, a good prospect, but if true think he should just do a few guess bookings and start next season on a 2/3 average. Tiggers splashing the cash again ? "Splashing the cash" on a 16 year old debutante?? Must be looking for at least £500 a point, £30 a mile and 40k signing on fee. Edited July 16, 2023 by Cast1rn 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, Cast1rn said: "Splashing the cash" in a 16 year old debutante?? Must be looking for at least £500 a point, £30 a mile and 40k signing on fee. Possibly also a free pass for his entourage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, Cast1rn said: I'm all for an amalgamation of the leagues my only concern would be would it still attract the GP riders? How many teams are we having in the league? What nights would they race on, 2 pointers coming from the NDL are suddenly going to be at the tapes with Emil,Artem,Tobias, jack,Max etc etc. The jump from the NDL is already colossus how much bigger a jump will it be. Yeah the inclusion of GP riders would be problematic. I know it was tried before but perhaps a banding rather average than system could be introduced thus if a team has a band A (GP standard rider) the balance would be in having to have three lowest band riders (NDL standard). As always there are just so many possibile combinations to try to balance the teams out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 19 minutes ago, Cast1rn said: "Splashing the cash" in a 16 year old debutante?? Must be looking for at least £500 a point, £30 a mile and 40k signing on fee. And an endless supply of Rob Grant burgers of course and at the same number of photographs and quotes as the team manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickinho Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 11 hours ago, Neila said: Rumoured at Edinburgh tonight that the tiggers are soon to sign a new rider, a certain young rider who turns 16 in August, a good prospect, but if true think he should just do a few guess bookings and start next season on a 2/3 average. Tiggers splashing the cash again ? Boughen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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