POOLE 2023

[Mike0310]

2 hours ago, lisa-colette said:

Tbh it only matters what it says in the rulebook! If that person has read the rulebook then fair enough. But when discussed a month or so ago, the general conscious was he would be on a 4. 

That person would 100 percent of read the rule book.

[mikebv]

4 hours ago, lisa-colette said:

But does that include just doing one meeting abroad, a month, a full season? I think that is where the confusion lies.

And what Leagues in Poland and Sweden..?

Are all leagues in Poland included?

Both leagues in Sweden?

If the regulation quoted is verbatim then it is as clear as many usually are...

 

 

[Skidder1]

8 hours ago, Mike0310 said:

Well you ain’t signing him then.

I never said we were!!

[Arthur54]

Ben Cook signs for premiership club Peterborough 

[Mr Blobby]

11 hours ago, arnieg said:

This statement is incorrect. Your source is unreliable.

 

Brady Kurtz was assessed at 5 because he rode in the DSL (equivalent of the Premiership).  Zischke has not ridden in the DSL. 

Kye Thomson came in on a 4 and ride the same league as Tate in Denmark (their equivalent to the championship).

[arnieg]

2 hours ago, Mr Blobby said:

Kye Thomson came in on a 4 and ride the same league as Tate in Denmark (their equivalent to the championship).

Claus Vissing 10

Sam Jensen 9

Tobias Thomsen 8

- it's a bit weaker than the CL.

[Mr Blobby]

3 minutes ago, arnieg said:

Claus Vissing 10

Sam Jensen 9

Tobias Thomsen 8

- it's a bit weaker than the CL.

My point was more league structure than standard based.

[Trackrat]

3 hours ago, Arthur54 said:

Ben Cook signs for premiership club Peterborough 

Needs to ride in the top league at his age.

[STEVEHOLS54]

2 hours ago, Mr Blobby said:

My point was more league structure than standard based.

The whole Tate Zischke discussion which I have been going on for a good 2 months with in depth comments/reviews over the last 2 months and I feel maybe the one who has heightened a lot of awareness and hope we would get him together at one stage with Rew as the 2 brightest young Aussie hopes coming through.

I think Rew idea was dropped due to rumours about cost involved in equipment/Flights in and out as staying POL based with his partner Also transport/mechanic/workshop and lodgings when over here.

Much as i would love to see what arguably is the most exciting young Aussie (Tate) racing since DW, Poole would surely face similar costs ??. Factor in he will be riding with Leszno in the POL U24 league in 2023 as what they feel he is the most exciting young Aussie coming through  (not even 18 until 30th July 2023). They are not stupid and like me have seen the raw potential and exciting style of this guy who can also gate. Not sure if he will do DK despite having signed a new contract but that team is really run by volunteer individuals in the fairly weak DK 1st Div which is probably a combo of lower point Champ riders and NDL combined. Will he base in POL or DK as its about 10/11 hours drive between his POL and DK teams stadiums/tracks.

In effect he may not even be considering UK for at least the first half of the UK season.

A long way round to my actual point.

Kyle Newman is now too high a GSA 4.29 for BHM 4.22 or Plym 4.21. (That's after his 2.5% Brit discount)

This means he can only do Poole or will not start the season with any club. Simple as that really.

The big question is whether anyone can establish if he is definitely starting the season or NOT due to his ongoing shoulder issue in 2022 ??. That would kind of put to bed maybe the whole Tate discussion regarding Poole for at least this season. UNLESS he was brought in as injury cover for Newman until/if fit later. But even if so would be quite a possible financial outlay.

As said i would love to see Tate at Poole as the 4 meetings I have seen him in over the last 2 months he looks really exciting and put the likes of Pearson & Hook to the sword in those meetings, gave Rew a good race in tne Aussie U21 Final until after the first bend when Rew's superior POL tuned equip kicked in and even beat Rew in one ride in the Aussie 2022 one Champ event.

[HGould]

1 hour ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

The whole Tate Zischke discussion which I have been going on for a good 2 months with in depth comments/reviews over the last 2 months and I feel maybe the one who has heightened a lot of awareness and hope we would get him together at one stage with Rew as the 2 brightest young Aussie hopes coming through.

I think Rew idea was dropped due to rumours about cost involved in equipment/Flights in and out as staying POL based with his partner Also transport/mechanic/workshop and lodgings when over here.

Much as i would love to see what arguably is the most exciting young Aussie (Tate) racing since DW, Poole would surely face similar costs ??. Factor in he will be riding with Leszno in the POL U24 league in 2023 as what they feel he is the most exciting young Aussie coming through  (not even 18 until 30th July 2023). They are not stupid and like me have seen the raw potential and exciting style of this guy who can also gate. Not sure if he will do DK despite having signed a new contract but that team is really run by volunteer individuals in the fairly weak DK 1st Div which is probably a combo of lower point Champ riders and NDL combined. Will he base in POL or DK as its about 10/11 hours drive between his POL and DK teams stadiums/tracks.

In effect he may not even be considering UK for at least the first half of the UK season.

A long way round to my actual point.

Kyle Newman is now too high a GSA 4.29 for BHM 4.22 or Plym 4.21. (That's after his 2.5% Brit discount)

This means he can only do Poole or will not start the season with any club. Simple as that really.

The big question is whether anyone can establish if he is definitely starting the season or NOT due to his ongoing shoulder issue in 2022 ??. That would kind of put to bed maybe the whole Tate discussion regarding Poole for at least this season. UNLESS he was brought in as injury cover for Newman until/if fit later. But even if so would be quite a possible financial outlay.

As said i would love to see Tate at Poole as the 4 meetings I have seen him in over the last 2 months he looks really exciting and put the likes of Pearson & Hook to the sword in those meetings, gave Rew a good race in tne Aussie U21 Final until after the first bend when Rew's superior POL tuned equip kicked in and even beat Rew in one ride in the Aussie 2022 one Champ event.

I think that by end of July your Tate will be a Pirate squeezed in at the time Roynon is ditched. 

[STEVEHOLS54]

11 minutes ago, HGould said:

I think that by end of July your Tate will be a Pirate squeezed in at the time Roynon is ditched. 

Would even be happy to get him in 2024 when will still only be 18. Just as long as we get him.

If Darcy Ward reported way back in the Summer that Tate as a 16 or just turned 17 year old reminded him of a young Darcy at the same age, you have to kind of sit up and take notice.

I have watched speedway now for 51 years and every now and then you see a young rider with an exciting style who can also get out of the gate which is half the battle.

Yes some of his style does remind me of a young Darcy. He is totally different to a much taller Pearson who some think has a LOT of potential, but when you see Tate in races against the likes of both Pearson and Hook you start to realise  that just maybe we are looking at the early stages of someone special.

Just my opinion of course but with 51 years of watching Speedway from my very early meetings at Hackney as a 16/17 year old you get a good idea who has maybe that special talent.

I'm there to be shot at of course but seeing him in those 4 meetings (Most of his rides) plus a race in DK at start of his short hop int0 that DK mainly juniors league, that something was/is there. I also wonder how good he may turn out on POL tuned equip in that U24 POL EXL next season. I would go as far as to say he could well be better than Rew who is nearly 2 years older and has the benefit of more professionally tuned equipment from his 2/3 seasons being based in POL.

[STEVEHOLS54]

2 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

Would even be happy to get him in 2024 when will still only be 18. Just as long as we get him.

If Darcy Ward reported way back in the Summer that Tate as a 16 or just turned 17 year old reminded him of a young Darcy at the same age, you have to kind of sit up and take notice.

I have watched speedway now for 51 years and every now and then you see a young rider with an exciting style who can also get out of the gate which is half the battle.

Yes some of his style does remind me of a young Darcy. He is totally different to a much taller Pearson who some think has a LOT of potential, but when you see Tate in races against the likes of both Pearson and Hook you start to realise  that just maybe we are looking at the early stages of someone special.

Just my opinion of course but with 51 years of watching Speedway from my very early meetings at Hackney as a 16/17 year old you get a good idea who has maybe that special talent.

I'm there to be shot at of course but seeing him in those 4 meetings (Most of his rides) plus a race in DK at start of his short hop int0 that DK mainly juniors league, that something was/is there. I also wonder how good he may turn out on POL tuned equip in that U24 POL EXL next season. I would go as far as to say he could well be better than Rew who is nearly 2 years older and has the benefit of more professionally tuned equipment from his 2/3 seasons being based in POL.

FYI I remember seeing a young Mark Loram & Joe Screeen at Hackney in second half races where they would race and beat experienced riders and you could see they had something special.  To also be driven all that way just for a couple of rides in a second half also showed their dedication.

[Steve Shovlar]

5 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

Would even be happy to get him in 2024 when will still only be 18. Just as long as we get him.

If Darcy Ward reported way back in the Summer that Tate as a 16 or just turned 17 year old reminded him of a young Darcy at the same age, you have to kind of sit up and take notice.

I have watched speedway now for 51 years and every now and then you see a young rider with an exciting style who can also get out of the gate which is half the battle.

Yes some of his style does remind me of a young Darcy. He is totally different to a much taller Pearson who some think has a LOT of potential, but when you see Tate in races against the likes of both Pearson and Hook you start to realise  that just maybe we are looking at the early stages of someone special.

Just my opinion of course but with 51 years of watching Speedway from my very early meetings at Hackney as a 16/17 year old you get a good idea who has maybe that special talent.

I'm there to be shot at of course but seeing him in those 4 meetings (Most of his rides) plus a race in DK at start of his short hop int0 that DK mainly juniors league, that something was/is there. I also wonder how good he may turn out on POL tuned equip in that U24 POL EXL next season. I would go as far as to say he could well be better than Rew who is nearly 2 years older and has the benefit of more professionally tuned equipment from his 2/3 seasons being based in POL.

You have been going on and on about this Aussie. But he has never been part of Poole’s team in 23 and you have been told in numerous ocassions. You know the team. That’s it. It’s good enough to win this league again and it’s a lot cheaper than importing a rider from the other side of the planet.

[STEVEHOLS54]

14 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

You have been going on and on about this Aussie. But he has never been part of Poole’s team in 23 and you have been told in numerous ocassions. You know the team. That’s it. It’s good enough to win this league again and it’s a lot cheaper than importing a rider from the other side of the planet.

Steve

Yes i know the team if it is as rumoured. I also have no issue with it as I think our reserves if as mentioned should score plenty to compensate the loss of an established 3rd H/L although we all hope Ben Cook will progress further.

I left the Tate discussion alone as I fully accepted he would not be coming. It was only really a number of people commenting again on here and on the Plym Forum pages about him maybe coming to Poole that made me comment further in the last couple of days.

Steve - This is a forum on the subject of Poole 2023. There is enough crap posted by certain individuals nothing to do with the Forum subject. Don't shoot someone who tries to engage in sensible discussion on a talent that most of us would like to see at Poole (especially after the DW endorsement).

As said more than happy with the team but that should not stop us still discussing the top Aussie talent that many of us would like to see associated with Poole knowing the teams history and association with good young Aussies over the years.

I also agree a lot cheaper but that didn't stop the Ford's bring over both Cook's in the Champ. Anyway thanks for your negative input.

[Steve Shovlar]

35 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

Steve

Yes i know the team if it is as rumoured. I also have no issue with it as I think our reserves if as mentioned should score plenty to compensate the loss of an established 3rd H/L although we all hope Ben Cook will progress further.

I left the Tate discussion alone as I fully accepted he would not be coming. It was only really a number of people commenting again on here and on the Plym Forum pages about him maybe coming to Poole that made me comment further in the last couple of days.

Steve - This is a forum on the subject of Poole 2023. There is enough crap posted by certain individuals nothing to do with the Forum subject. Don't shoot someone who tries to engage in sensible discussion on a talent that most of us would like to see at Poole (especially after the DW endorsement).

As said more than happy with the team but that should not stop us still discussing the top Aussie talent that many of us would like to see associated with Poole knowing the teams history and association with good young Aussies over the years.

I also agree a lot cheaper but that didn't stop the Ford's bring over both Cook's in the Champ. Anyway thanks for your negative input.

Wasn’t meant as negative Steve. Just pointless talking about riders who are not coming to Poole next season. May as we’ll be talking about Zmarzlik  being our new number one. Neither are going to be riding for us.

Lets be realistic and talk about our touted 1-7 and how we compare to other Championship sides, instead of fantasy riders who are not coming into the Poole team. 

Happy New Year to you and other Poole fans. Let’s hope 2023 is as successful as last season was.

 

[HGould]

1 hour ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

FYI I remember seeing a young Mark Loram & Joe Screeen at Hackney in second half races where they would race and beat experienced riders and you could see they had something special.  To also be driven all that way just for a couple of rides in a second half also showed their dedication.

Loved trips to Hackney. 

A proper race track

[STEVEHOLS54]

32 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Wasn’t meant as negative Steve. Just pointless talking about riders who are not coming to Poole next season. May as we’ll be talking about Zmarzlik  being our new number one. Neither are going to be riding for us.

Lets be realistic and talk about our touted 1-7 and how we compare to other Championship sides, instead of fantasy riders who are not coming into the Poole team. 

Happy New Year to you and other Poole fans. Let’s hope 2023 is as successful as last season was.

 

Thanks for that Steve and Happy New year to you and all Poole fans plus other contributors to the Poole Forum for 2023.

Maybe would have helped if Danny had done it the other way around and gone from 7 down to 1 as then the Tate discussion would have been killed off very early.

But I suppose if nothing else the still unnamed 6 & 7 leaves a little chink of light into what may have been .

Having said that have seen nothing posted on the Forum as to whether Kyle is racing in 2023. The only real comments I have seen are where he allegedly turned down Redcar for 2023 as he was not going to be fit for the start of the season. Whether that was just rumour or true I have no idea. But I've seen no comments fro anyone to say he had advised or commented that he was planning to start next season besides the Redcar comment. Let's hope he does as he is one guy who should excel looking at most of the reserves announced. Especially at Poole where his track knowledge and speed will hopefully also help him team ride Roynon when needed.

[HGould]

1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said:

You have been going on and on about this Aussie. But he has never been part of Poole’s team in 23 and you have been told in numerous ocassions. You know the team. That’s it. It’s good enough to win this league again and it’s a lot cheaper than importing a rider from the other side of the planet.

What a disrespectful piece of work you are. 

[STEVEHOLS54]

13 minutes ago, HGould said:

Loved trips to Hackney. 

A proper race track

Nice to see a good few of us still alive who can share the memory.

Even remember a very young Middlo riding there back in the day. Oh happy days back there in the early - mid and late seventies. Even though we struggled a plenty due to good old Len Silver not wanting to spend on the bigger stars 

Notice i mentioned Middlo's name to keep us kind of on the Poole subject 

Edited December 31, 2022 by STEVEHOLS54
typo

[STEVEHOLS54]

4 minutes ago, HGould said:

What a disrespectful piece of work you are. 

Thanks for the defence HG, but I think Steve and me have kept it amicable after his other reply and my subsequent response.

Yes I do tend to go on about Tate to the point of obsession and time will tell if my view on him proves correct.

Hopefully if Poole finances allow some time in the future we may see him at Poole and at 17 (18 on 30th July), plenty of time for that and who knows by then we may even be back in Prem Lge, but that discussion is for another day. I will let others comment on that in the future if and when the rumours are strong enough going forward.