Catalan Posted April 27, 2023 Report Share Posted April 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Nickinho said: I think clubs need to start looking into what involvement their local council can play in terms of the land. I think Manchester City Council contributed a lot to Belle Vue's stadium. In the US, local authorities give HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars towards financing stadia (the Nevada Legislature approved $750 MILLION to help fund the construction of the Raiders' new stadium in Las Vegas). I know the promotors at Armadale looked into this kind of help and didn't get very far because local Scottish politics is a corrupt cesspit and you're more likely to get the go-ahead for a hundred kebab shops on the same high street than you are to get for a speedway stadium on the edge of town but if you can prove that it will bring money/jobs/tourism/reputation into the local area then some councils down south might just help a bit. Local council in Poole is pretty much the same, although local elections are due. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted April 27, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2023 1 hour ago, weatherman said: Local council in Poole is pretty much the same, although local elections are due. It's the local council in Poole that own the whole stadium site!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted April 27, 2023 Report Share Posted April 27, 2023 Is there nowhere in the vicinity of Bournemouth Airport which seems to be very underused and a lot of land surrounding it? Just thinking that 2 hours speedway a week for 20 odd weeks could hardly be stopped on noise grounds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickinho Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 17 hours ago, Skidder1 said: It's the local council in Poole that own the whole stadium site!! Oh. Then in that case they should have a duty to rehome the club. Spending money on the Pirates cause would be better than whatever they normally waste the taxpayers' money on. Do we really need more rainbow-coloured pedestrian crossings? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 With the amount of debt this crooked lot have run up, I can't see that happening. It's a huge plot and with other pockets from railway sidings etc nearby, worth some serious money. Would also cost the council a pretty penny to buy the lease back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted April 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 13 minutes ago, weatherman said: With the amount of debt this crooked lot have run up, I can't see that happening. It's a huge plot and with other pockets from railway sidings etc nearby, worth some serious money. Would also cost the council a pretty penny to buy the lease back. Not if it can be proved that the current leaseholders have reneged on the terms of the lease and the provision of a minimum of 2 sports/leisure activities! The site was originally given to 'the people of Poole' for that very purpose by the Lord Wimborne Estate, with the Council acting as 'custodians'!! (Although there have been many many examples of similar arrangements which various councils across the UK have simply ridden roughshod over!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Skidder1 said: Not if it can be proved that the current leaseholders have reneged on the terms of the lease and the provision of a minimum of 2 sports/leisure activities! The site was originally given to 'the people of Poole' for that very purpose by the Lord Wimborne Estate, with the Council acting as 'custodians'!! (Although there have been many many examples of similar arrangements which various councils across the UK have simply ridden roughshod over!) Poole Council being one of the worst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Skidder1 said: Not if it can be proved that the current leaseholders have reneged on the terms of the lease and the provision of a minimum of 2 sports/leisure activities! The site was originally given to 'the people of Poole' for that very purpose by the Lord Wimborne Estate, with the Council acting as 'custodians'!! (Although there have been many many examples of similar arrangements which various councils across the UK have simply ridden roughshod over!) How long does the lease last? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted April 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, eric i said: How long does the lease last? Not sure. A lease was granted in 1994 I think and possibly extended in 1997 when the 'new' glass stand/restaurant was built by Stadia uk primarily for the greyhounds! Edited April 28, 2023 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 Hopefully the Pirates can stay at Wimborne Road but the promotion must have concerns as they are actively exploring alternatives i believe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa-colette Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 39 minutes ago, lewy said: Hopefully the Pirates can stay at Wimborne Road but the promotion must have concerns as they are actively exploring alternatives i believe. I fail to see any existing alternatives. IOW would be expensive to travel there every week and everywhere else is too far. Apparently Weymouth track isn't there anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz9100 Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: I fail to see any existing alternatives. IOW would be expensive to travel there every week and everywhere else is too far. Apparently Weymouth track isn't there anymore? Weymouth is sort of still there buried under all that undergrowth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 Oxford was overgrown, look at it now. A bit of hope and belief goes a long way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 I despise stadia UK / gaming international. An absolute cancer on our sport. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Posted April 28, 2023 Report Share Posted April 28, 2023 10 hours ago, Skidder1 said: Not if it can be proved that the current leaseholders have reneged on the terms of the lease and the provision of a minimum of 2 sports/leisure activities! The site was originally given to 'the people of Poole' for that very purpose by the Lord Wimborne Estate, with the Council acting as 'custodians'!! (Although there have been many many examples of similar arrangements which various councils across the UK have simply ridden roughshod over!) Hi Skidder 1 As you are quite knowledgeable on Poole speedway matters if the council own the stadium why don't they take back ownership and rerun greyhounds as I believe they stopped running due to covid and now it's sort of over with speeedway guaranteed with the Ford's then all issues may be solved or is the San Miguel getting to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted April 29, 2023 Report Share Posted April 29, 2023 7 hours ago, Essex said: Hi Skidder 1 As you are quite knowledgeable on Poole speedway matters if the council own the stadium why don't they take back ownership and rerun greyhounds as I believe they stopped running due to covid and now it's sort of over with speeedway guaranteed with the Ford's then all issues may be solved or is the San Miguel getting to me. I can't see the BCP administration running this sort of business. As Skidder 1 seems to think there is a bit of time left on lease it would not be cheap buying it back. I've never seen the terms and conditions of the lease but would like to know if it stipulates how many activities have to be run at the site? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted April 29, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Essex said: Hi Skidder 1 As you are quite knowledgeable on Poole speedway matters if the council own the stadium why don't they take back ownership and rerun greyhounds as I believe they stopped running due to covid and now it's sort of over with speeedway guaranteed with the Ford's then all issues may be solved or is the San Miguel getting to me. This is just my interpretation of things - having worked in the council and run a large indoor events venue locally. In the background to all this the council have published a provisional Local Plan which includes a map showing a number of possible sites for 'potential development'. This includes many potential sites across Poole, Bournemouth and Christchurch including the whole stadium site plus some adjoining vacant land. Of course this provisional plan is subject to change (not least as a result of the May Local elections!!), and the final plan is currently scheduled to become 'active' towards the end of 2024. The plan does NOT mention Poole Stadium specifically even though other specific landmark sites are named. Aside from local opinion for or against local politics, there is the need/desire to build more housing and undoubtedly the site close to the town centre would be extremely valuable to both the Council ( who could sell it as they need the money) or to a Developer (who could build a huge number of properties on it) especially if it could be proven that the site is not viable for sport and leisure?! We are not at that stage yet but I'm sure all those that are directly involved are aware of the options and how likely or unlikely they are. I've not recently discussed the specifics with Matt or Danny Ford. In the meantime the Poole Promotion will I'm sure continue to try to negotiate a sensible rental with G.I. and we can only hope that G.I. concur so that speedway continues. Edited April 29, 2023 by Skidder1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted April 29, 2023 Report Share Posted April 29, 2023 Question for "local" Poole supporters in the forthcoming elections do you know which candidates: 1. Support speedway for the long term @ Wimborne road. 2. Have no interest in providing entertainment for the people of Poole. 3. Has a dislike for anything Motorcycling including Speedway. This could be better worded I'm sure, also something in writing from any candidates that say they support speedway. Duplicated for Wolves & Peterborough! Good luck to you all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted May 7, 2023 Report Share Posted May 7, 2023 Interesting averages in the Speedway star (yes I know it’s not their proper averages as they are ‘rolling’ averages) for Poole on this season’s matches so far….Our number 7 could do some damage!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted May 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2023 2 hours ago, scottyfan said: Interesting averages in the Speedway star (yes I know it’s not their proper averages as they are ‘rolling’ averages) for Poole on this season’s matches so far….Our number 7 could do some damage!! Thank goodness Poole's CMAs won't change til July 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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