POOLE 2023

[Mike0310]

Best reserve pairing in the league congratulations to Poole fair play looks a good team and then ones we all have to beat.

[STEVEHOLS54]

4 hours ago, DJC said:

It feels like the bottom 2 were put together as plan B after the talk of Newman not looking fit for the start of the season and his comments about possibly being his last season. 8 points felt like 2 newcomers were pencilled in. 

Newman will be fantastic at home when and if he can stay fit.

Roynon is the odd one for me, yes the average fits but cant help thinking he'll be out for a certain Aussie when he's declared fully fit...

All hinges on Thomas but as a previous poster pointed out, home wins and experience in the tail to pick up those bonus points away from home appears to be the plan. 

On possible mid season change, Newman is an example of that himself.

In 2017 he started on a GSA of 6.31 for Poole. Come July he had dropped to 5.26 and was not looking so good. He was dropped before the lower av came in and replaced and come August he in fact dropped further at Leicester to 4.22 (All in Premier Lge or equivalent back then).

You can imagine if one or both  reserves climb to a 5 or even 6 based on beating other reserves mainly. It could indeed open up an avenue for s certain young Aussie who would have got experience in POL and the 1st (not Prem) Div in DK . Also by that time maybe schedule will no be so hectic considering we don't even start our league matches until 24th May so I assume first GSA new av will be effective from 1st July ??.

Of course if all the team is scoring well they may leave as is, but a Basso situation is an indication of what can be achieved by going for a young exciting rider on a 5 assessed GSA as he had ridden in DK but never in UK.

We shall no doubt see as the season progresses.

Edited: According to Speedway Stats he in fact rode 4 matches for Poole in 2017 with a CMA of 3.53 from his 17 rides, so the drop was even more dramatic.

Edited January 19, 2023 by STEVEHOLS54
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[SteveLyric2]

4 hours ago, DJC said:

It feels like the bottom 2 were put together as plan B after the talk of Newman not looking fit for the start of the season and his comments about possibly being his last season. 8 points felt like 2 newcomers were pencilled in. 

Newman will be fantastic at home when and if he can stay fit.

Roynon is the odd one for me, yes the average fits but cant help thinking he'll be out for a certain Aussie when he's declared fully fit...

All hinges on Thomas but as a previous poster pointed out, home wins and experience in the tail to pick up those bonus points away from home appears to be the plan. 

According to the Speedway Star this week Newman was always in Plan A with Ablitt until the points limit dropped by 2 points (and there was an issue with a certain 5 point rider!!)

[LisaColette]

1 hour ago, Skidder1 said:

According to the Speedway Star this week Newman was always in Plan A with Ablitt until the points limit dropped by 2 points (and there was an issue with a certain 5 point rider!!)

Interesting as I assumed plan A was pretty much last year's team but with Jack Thomas instead of Drew.

[STEVEHOLS54]

1 hour ago, Skidder1 said:

According to the Speedway Star this week Newman was always in Plan A with Ablitt until the points limit dropped by 2 points (and there was an issue with a certain 5 point rider!!)

Could the 5 pointer have been Rew ??

Number of us thought Poole were after him, but heard a rumour he wanted to much additional costs such as flights/mechanic/living costs/workshop etc as he insisted on basing himself in Poland with his partner. Rew plus Ablitt would have given Danny the comfort of Zach Cook staying at reserve. 

[LisaColette]

16 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

Could the 5 pointer have been Rew ??

Number of us thought Poole were after him, but heard a rumour he wanted to much additional costs such as flights/mechanic/living costs/workshop etc as he insisted on basing himself in Poland with his partner. Rew plus Ablitt would have given Danny the comfort of Zach Cook staying at reserve. 

Also Poole would have been bottom in list of priorities as well with Rew imo.

Edited January 19, 2023 by lisa-colette

[szkocjasid]

6 hours ago, Fromafar said:

 Not sure about Thomas has been around a bit no real progress and Roynon isn’t going to improve,very poor at times.A lot riding on the Cooks IMO

Certainly disagree with you greatly about Thomas. Started 2021 as a 3 point something reserve & ended up about 5. Then in 2022 kept his average after moving into the top 5 (in an injury hit season).

Clearly on his way up imo & a good signing for Poole.

As for Roynon looking at his average for Scunny in the Speedway Star (includes bonus points) 4.35, with a 4.89 away ave!

Edited January 19, 2023 by szkocjasid

[szkocjasid]

2 hours ago, Skidder1 said:

According to the Speedway Star this week Newman was always in Plan A with Ablitt until the points limit dropped by 2 points (and there was an issue with a certain 5 point rider!!)

 

1 hour ago, lisa-colette said:

Interesting as I assumed plan A was pretty much last year's team but with Jack Thomas instead of Drew.

That can't have been the plan as they were 2 points above the 42 limit & Thomas has a similar average to Kemp?

[SteveLyric2]

2 hours ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

Could the 5 pointer have been Rew ??

Number of us thought Poole were after him, but heard a rumour he wanted to much additional costs such as flights/mechanic/living costs/workshop etc as he insisted on basing himself in Poland with his partner. Rew plus Ablitt would have given Danny the comfort of Zach Cook staying at reserve. 

Maybe if Rew had told Poole he was signing for Ippo then both clubs could have split the costs?

[LisaColette]

1 hour ago, szkocjasid said:

 

That can't have been the plan as they were 2 points above the 42 limit & Thomas has a similar average to Kemp?

If you do the British reductions I make not much over 42. So Jack for Drew fits. 

Jack is around 0.4 lower.

Edited January 19, 2023 by lisa-colette

[SteveLyric2]

1 hour ago, szkocjasid said:

 

That can't have been the plan as they were 2 points above the 42 limit & Thomas has a similar average to Kemp?

Pooles final average less the 2.5% Brit reduction was 42.28 (with Kemp on 5.20) so only .28 to lose before the 42 became 40 points.

(Thomas 4.48; Newman 4.29)

[LisaColette]

31 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

Pooles final average less the 2.5% Brit reduction was 42.28 (with Kemp on 5.20) so only .28 to lose before the 42 became 40 points.

(Thomas 4.48; Newman 4.29)

Thought Jack Thomas was 4.78 with reduction?

[Fromafar]

2 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

Certainly disagree with you greatly about Thomas. Started 2021 as a 3 point something reserve & ended up about 5. Then in 2022 kept his average after moving into the top 5 (in an injury hit season).

Clearly on his way up imo & a good signing for Poole.

As for Roynon looking at his average for Scunny in the Speedway Star (includes bonus points) 4.35, with a 4.89 away ave!

Your certainly entitled to disagree.No problem with me.

[SteveLyric2]

8 hours ago, lisa-colette said:

Thought Jack Thomas was 4.78 with reduction?

Yes you're correct LC. Fingers faster than brain!!

[LisaColette]

4 hours ago, Skidder1 said:

Yes you're correct LC. Fingers faster than brain!!

Haha. Well the main thing is that team would fit in a 42 point limit as long as you apply the British reductions. 

[IronScorpion]

19 hours ago, Skidder1 said:

According to the Speedway Star this week Newman was always in Plan A with Ablitt until the points limit dropped by 2 points (and there was an issue with a certain 5 point rider!!)

 

18 hours ago, lisa-colette said:

Interesting as I assumed plan A was pretty much last year's team but with Jack Thomas instead of Drew.

Danny Ford has said that the 42 point limit brought in for 2022 was a 2 year plan(Ha! - promoters change again) & his intention was to keep all 3 Heat Leaders. Only when the later gatherings at Rugby was this changed & he had to let one of them go.

[STEVEHOLS54]

33 minutes ago, IronScorpion said:

 

Danny Ford has said that the 42 point limit brought in for 2022 was a 2 year plan(Ha! - promoters change again) & his intention was to keep all 3 Heat Leaders. Only when the later gatherings at Rugby was this changed & he had to let one of them go.

So how come Danny said he had informed the team who would and wouldn't be retained in 2023 incl Danny King PRIOR to the delayed second leg of the final against Leicester. That meeting was on 5th Nov before the Rugby AGM. He mentioned it had been a difficult decision to have to make.

Believe this was partly why Kemp had such a strop on because he had already been informed he would not be part of the team in 2023. I believe Danny told the whole team prior to that meeting on 5th Nov that difficult decisions had to be made due to a reduced team points limit and he had been forced to make changes.

Of course I could of misunderstood and as they were at 1.03 over the old 42 points that Kemp was the rider chosen to drop, but not how I read it at the time.

[LisaColette]

6 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

So how come Danny said he had informed the team who would and wouldn't be retained in 2023 incl Danny King PRIOR to the delayed second leg of the final against Leicester. That meeting was on 5th Nov before the Rugby AGM. He mentioned it had been a difficult decision to have to make.

Believe this was partly why Kemp had such a strop on because he had already been informed he would not be part of the team in 2023. I believe Danny told the whole team prior to that meeting on 5th Nov that difficult decisions had to be made due to a reduced team points limit and he had been forced to make changes.

Of course I could of misunderstood and as they were at 1.03 over the old 42 points that Kemp was the rider chosen to drop, but not how I read it at the time.

DK mentioned in this interview on Redcar FB that he wasn't prepared to wait to see if he was in. He wanted an answer straight away, whereas I am assuming Poole wanted to hold off til AGM. 

[SteveLyric2]

4 hours ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

So how come Danny said he had informed the team who would and wouldn't be retained in 2023 incl Danny King PRIOR to the delayed second leg of the final against Leicester. That meeting was on 5th Nov before the Rugby AGM. He mentioned it had been a difficult decision to have to make.

Believe this was partly why Kemp had such a strop on because he had already been informed he would not be part of the team in 2023. I believe Danny told the whole team prior to that meeting on 5th Nov that difficult decisions had to be made due to a reduced team points limit and he had been forced to make changes.

Of course I could of misunderstood and as they were at 1.03 over the old 42 points that Kemp was the rider chosen to drop, but not how I read it at the time.

I understand the discussion about reducing the points limit to 40 was held at a BSPL Board meeting held on the day of the Championship Pairs at Oxford in August.

Despite some substantial lobbying (not least by Poole and Glasgow) the reduction to 40 was ratified at the AGM,

[szkocjasid]

On 1/19/2023 at 8:15 PM, szkocjasid said:

 

That can't have been the plan as they were 2 points above the 42 limit & Thomas has a similar average to Kemp?

 

On 1/19/2023 at 9:55 PM, lisa-colette said:

If you do the British reductions I make not much over 42. So Jack for Drew fits. 

Jack is around 0.4 lower.

I must have been remembering my Poole predictions on a 40 limit, not 42