Belle Vue -V Sheffield POF leg 1 Monday 10th Oct

[Garry1603]

The fascinating thing about this match is that there are riders on both teams who can step up to the plate and win the title for their team, Wright, Brennan and Blodorn for the Aces and Howarth, Ellis and Mountain for Sheffield.

It could be a classic final and should bring some great racing in both legs.

 

[TTT]

2 minutes ago, The SAINT said:

i'm thinking 20 points too  (and i'm a Tigers fan) 

It's just so difficult for away teams to get race winners around the NSS when you've got either Kurtz, Zagar or Lambert out in almost every race.

So essentially Brennan, Wright & Blodorn need to run lasts for the away sides just to get 3-3's most of time and that doesn't happen often.

[The SAINT]

12 minutes ago, spin king said:

I picked Kyle out due to his scores for Sheffield and his British Final scores at Belle Vue 

Belle Vue

5 points from 5 rides

3 points from 4 rides

5 points from 4 rides

British Final

10 points from 5 rides

10 in the british final seems good but he isn't facing home track specialists/heat leaders 

[foreverblue]

3 minutes ago, TTT said:

It's just so difficult for away teams to get race winners around the NSS when you've got either Kurtz, Zagar or Lambert out in almost every race.

So essentially Brennan, Wright & Blodorn need to run lasts for the away sides just to get 3-3's most of time and that doesn't happen often.

Difficult but not impossible when you have Holder, Musielak and Ellis .

[orion]

1 hour ago, old bob at herne bay said:

Orion - gardening at the starts is now out of control. From NDL juniors to SGP sooperstars they get off their bikes digging ruts , then filling them in, then completely missing the start.  Complete waste of time. 

2 completely one sided p off semi finals - the last one at Sheffield typified the modern style gate and go speedway on big tracks. 

Racing at Belle Vue Hyde Road was good …. The new incarnation sees the action over by lap one and the 4 riders getting further and further apart. They might go faster than they used to … but entertainment is poor. 

Too many delays, time wasting and not a lot of action. 

 

Bar Belle Vue being good none as of the rest is true.

[szkocjasid]

3 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said:

From my limited viewing of speedway in the past few weeks - nothing I have seen will tempt me back to trackside to watch riders endlessly gardening at every start ….lack of any “racing” just very fast “riding”.

 

3 hours ago, orion said:

Sorry has speedway in any thou regards.. mucking around at the tapes was much worst in the old days just as many one sided meetings and the racing was  just the same.. racing at Belle Vue has product better than we have ever seen in the speedway.

 

1 hour ago, old bob at herne bay said:

Orion - gardening at the starts is now out of control. From NDL juniors to SGP sooperstars they get off their bikes digging ruts , then filling them in, then completely missing the start.  Complete waste of time. 

Too many delays, time wasting and not a lot of action.

I have to say there is far too much "gardening" at the start for me these days.

I was at Berwick for a NDL match on Saturday & even a junior in his first NDL match has already  learnt / been taught to get off his bike & dig for ages. Heck even when Mildenhall had to go to the tapes for an easy 5-0 in heat 13, the both dug a little at the start, not for a long time but seemed unnecessary as they didn't have any opponents!

I also feel video companies do the sport no favours by showing all the gardening in the one-off heats they show on social media. You'd think they'd want to show the best (the racing) of speedway and not the worst (time wasting).

[jrs]

33 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

 

 

I have to say there is far too much "gardening" at the start for me these days.

I was at Berwick for a NDL match on Saturday & even a junior in his first NDL match has already  learnt / been taught to get off his bike & dig for ages. Heck even when Mildenhall had to go to the tapes for an easy 5-0 in heat 13, the both dug a little at the start, not for a long time but seemed unnecessary as they didn't have any opponents!

I also feel video companies do the sport no favours by showing all the gardening in the one-off heats they show on social media. You'd think they'd want to show the best (the racing) of speedway and not the worst (time wasting).

Maybe for the finals we should have Monty Don at the start line with a live Mic. With luck he could get some personal interviews on technique and do a live commentary up until the Start Marshall tries to call them into line. We might also get some good tips on how to ensure our prized geraniums survive the winter. 

It has got worse over the last few years . We need better start line discipline in general a la Polish speedway with strict time limits. 

Adam could be the wildcard for Sheffield tonight, having won the British Championship there.

[Col]

2 hours ago, spin king said:

I picked Kyle out due to his scores for Sheffield and his British Final scores at Belle Vue 

Belle Vue

5 points from 5 rides

3 points from 4 rides

5 points from 4 rides

British Final

10 points from 5 rides

With the exception of Bewley no Brit in attendance that night is as quick as Zagar and probably Kurtz at the NSS.

The only Ace I'd expect Howarth to beat everytime they meet is Etheridge.  I'd call it 50/50 between Howarth with Wright, Brennan & Blodorn.

If Brennan can recapture his British final form Tigers are in trouble.

[foreverblue]

1 hour ago, szkocjasid said:

 

 

I have to say there is far too much "gardening" at the start for me these days.

I was at Berwick for a NDL match on Saturday & even a junior in his first NDL match has already  learnt / been taught to get off his bike & dig for ages. Heck even when Mildenhall had to go to the tapes for an easy 5-0 in heat 13, the both dug a little at the start, not for a long time but seemed unnecessary as they didn't have any opponents!

I also feel video companies do the sport no favours by showing all the gardening in the one-off heats they show on social media. You'd think they'd want to show the best (the racing) of speedway and not the worst (time wasting).

Richard Lawson got excluded for getting off his bike and gardening with the two minutes on so it would seem the thing to do would be to put the two minutes on earlier .

[Col]

Yes. Modern day "gardening" is OTT. What makes me laugh is a rider spends an eternity preparing a groove, the start marshall makes them move. The riders does nothing in that new position and still makes a great start.

[Heathcote]

Simple solution to end the gardening.....2 mins goes on for every single race at the end of the 2mins the green light goes on, if you not ready excluded. If you want to garden then get to the tapes in plenty of time

[Arthur54]

On 10/9/2022 at 12:25 AM, orion said:

Have Belle Vue got one ?

Mark Lemon has got Poole connections 

[Grachan]

13 minutes ago, Heathcote said:

Simple solution to end the gardening.....2 mins goes on for every single race at the end of the 2mins the green light goes on, if you not ready excluded. If you want to garden then get to the tapes in plenty of time

Isn't that pretty much what happens anyway?

 

[Heathcote]

2 minutes ago, Grachan said:

Isn't that pretty much what happens anyway?

 

No, the beat the 2 mins all you have to do is actually be on the track, not actually at the tapes. Riders then eventually get to the tapes and start gardening, many times the green lights arent coming on till minutes after the 2 mins ended.

[tellboy]

6 minutes ago, Heathcote said:

No, the beat the 2 mins all you have to do is actually be on the track, not actually at the tapes. Riders then eventually get to the tapes and start gardening, many times the green lights arent coming on till minutes after the 2 mins ended.

Didn't Klindt get excluded for gardening at the tapes against Ipswich.

[andout]

10 minutes ago, Heathcote said:

No, the beat the 2 mins all you have to do is actually be on the track, not actually at the tapes. Riders then eventually get to the tapes and start gardening, many times the green lights arent coming on till minutes after the 2 mins ended.

011.1.3 2 Minute Allowance

 

Riders must, at the expiry of this time allowance, be on track, under power, proceeding without stopping towards the starting gate.
If a rider is at the starting gate with sufficient time remaining of the 2 minute allowance they are permitted to prepare their starting gate area.

[LisaColette]

1 hour ago, foreverblue said:

Richard Lawson got excluded for getting off his bike and gardening with the two minutes on so it would seem the thing to do would be to put the two minutes on earlier .

Thought that was Steve Worrall? H3 in original Glasgow Vs Poole playoff meeting? 

[DazS]

7 hours ago, foreverblue said:

Fully fit and on form he could let you down at Sheffield, it isn't a track that suits him I wouldn't think but he should be good at home if fully fit and firing, it is just when you have had a couple of nasty crashes it often takes riders a few meetings to get their confidence back.

i know exactly what you mean, he can go fast round belle vue. anyway im setting of in 10 mins to hopefully see a good meeting, whatever ther score will also go to sheffield.

[r8gdp]

Hopefully Sheffield will keep it close tonight to make the 2 nd leg interesting 

unfortunately can t see anything but a big belle vue win the signing of lambert takes the pressure to score big off Zagar and also Kurtz so expect both to easily be in double figures tonight.Also expect them both to score better in the 2 nd leg at Sheffield than they did in the league meetings imo

[mike1944]

What annoys me is when the riders get called back for a false start they go through the procedure of topping up tanks and adjusting chains, etc., and this is after just a few dozen yards of racing. All riders should go straight back to the start, all bikes should have enough fuel in them for this eventuality and as for adjusting chains and clutches it should be the same for them all if none of this play acting took place. Nobody should be allowed to have a full service and MOT.  False start = 1 minute for ALL riders to get back to the tapes.