ouch Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 I love how BSF completely dispenses with fact and logic when assessing the two teams. Their success compared to ours has been listed but no, make stuff up instead. Sadly the way it seems on here. There is still time for Bates to try and pull another fast one as a cartel committee member. We could suffer another injury (just to cheer up the bloodthirsty BSF, always wondered who cheers a fallen rider you scumbags) and don’t forget the referee - free carvery for life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, PhilTheAce said: Hang on. They finished top of the league for a reason, they were the best team over the season. They had the bigger aggregate win in semi. They have absolutely destroyed us at Sheffield every match, we can’t ride the track. of course they are favourites What happened in the league isn't relevant to the playoffs, we start again. Poole were only third in the league but nobody would bet against them winning the championship playoffs. Lambert won't have any issues with the Sheffield track, he is a world class rider. Belle Vue are big favourites, most people think so, the bookies have them heavy odds on and they know what they are doing. You have destroyed them when they have visited Belle Vue and that was before you pulled the masterstroke and got Lambert. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace no.5 Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 In a 2 legged match I always have a figure in my head of what I'd be happy with after the first leg... With this I'm not sure at all! I'd like 20 points. I'm not sure we'll get that. Anything less than 10 I think we're in trouble. 14-16 point Aces win would leave the tie firmly in the balance I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace no.5 Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, foreverblue said: What happened in the league isn't relevant to the playoffs, we start again. Poole were only third in the league but nobody would bet against them winning the championship playoffs. Lambert won't have any issues with the Sheffield track, he is a world class rider. Belle Vue are big favourites, most people think so, the bookies have them heavy odds on and they know what they are doing. You have destroyed them when they have visited Belle Vue and that was before you pulled the masterstroke and got Lambert. And Sheffield have won by 18 and 24 against us at Owlerton! It could and probably will be close. A 20 point Aces first leg lead, the tie wouldn't be close to over. As for the bookies, I wouldn't suggest 4/7 in a 2 team match is "heavy odds on". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Ace no.5 said: And Sheffield have won by 18 and 24 against us at Owlerton! It could and probably will be close. A 20 point Aces first leg lead, the tie wouldn't be close to over. As for the bookies, I wouldn't suggest 4/7 in a 2 team match is "heavy odds on". It has eased then, it was worse odds for Belle Vue last night. They didn't have Lambert then, Cant see them getting that score in the playoffs,i think both matches will be closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 aces to win by 20 on aggregate , would have been very even without the late rule change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 2 hours ago, PhilTheAce said: Hang on. They finished top of the league for a reason, they were the best team over the season. They had the bigger aggregate win in semi. They have absolutely destroyed us at Sheffield every match, we can’t ride the track. of course they are favourites Using the logic they are the best because they finished top don't cut it for just 2 play off matches though.Using your logic Ipswich were the 2nd best team but Belle Vue destroyed them.So it isn't where you finished in the league that makes you favourites it's current form,and Belle Vue certainly have that momentum at the moment.So imo this is why you are favourites. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 3 hours ago, foreverblue said: Only in your twisted world do Sheffield start favourites. Belle Vue are massive favourites, even Mark Lemon Can't mess this up although he will have a good go I am sure! You have massively improved the team throughout the season culminating with the signing of Lambert who on current form, is far better than the unfortunate Max Fricke. Did you watch last night? Have you seen how BV fared at Sheffield in their three visits this year? Phil is right, it'll be two home wins, just depends who wins by more. As for Lamberr, however good you are it's not as simple as rocking up to a track and just beating good home riders. He will score points but the idea that he is going to just blow away Holder, Ellis, Museilak and Howarth is fantasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 57 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Lambert won't have any issues with the Sheffield track, he is a world class rider. So how would you describe 2022 World Pairs Champion, Warsaw GP winner and 2023 GP contestant Max Fricke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 Can't wait for this and absolutely dreading it at the same time. Belle vue Favourites with the bookies but Sheffield finished top so should be favourites, for me this can go either way. I know both teams have beaten each other at home convincingly, but if your Sheffield you simply can't afford to go into the second leg on the back of a heavy defeat, as 2 legged meetings are totally different to a one off. I do believe Monday is the key if it's under 10 points I expect Sheffield to pull it back, over 10 and I expect the experience of our heat leader trio to see us over the line at Owlerton. I just hope both teams have no injury's over the next week and we can see 7 v 7 in both legs. Come on you Aces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 29 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Did you watch last night? Have you seen how BV fared at Sheffield in their three visits this year? Phil is right, it'll be two home wins, just depends who wins by more. As for Lamberr, however good you are it's not as simple as rocking up to a track and just beating good home riders. He will score points but the idea that he is going to just blow away Holder, Ellis, Museilak and Howarth is fantasy. For my money Lambert is better than all of them, but you are right matches are won on the track not on forums or on paper! Form can go out of the window on the night, or a crash / EF can affect things for either side! BV got spanked the time I went but I do expect Lambert to ride well with the caveats of the above 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 35 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Did you watch last night? Have you seen how BV fared at Sheffield in their three visits this year? Phil is right, it'll be two home wins, just depends who wins by more. As for Lamberr, however good you are it's not as simple as rocking up to a track and just beating good home riders. He will score points but the idea that he is going to just blow away Holder, Ellis, Museilak and Howarth is fantasy. R/R for Fricke got 6 look at visit I'd expect to Lambert to double that. It might take Robert a ride to get dialled in then we he will be fine. But we just need to concentrate on winning at home and by as much as possible, as we all know a decent first leg win can be in very hard to pull back when under the ultimate pressure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 We all prefer the home leg 2nd as you get the final result on your home track and if you win it's great to see but I do think the first leg at home can be a slight advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 35 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Did you watch last night? Have you seen how BV fared at Sheffield in their three visits this year? Phil is right, it'll be two home wins, just depends who wins by more. As for Lamberr, however good you are it's not as simple as rocking up to a track and just beating good home riders. He will score points but the idea that he is going to just blow away Holder, Ellis, Museilak and Howarth is fantasy. I didn't say he would blow those riders away at Sheffield but judging by the Ipswich meeting and the way he went past Doyle, can't imagine he would have much trouble with the Sheffield riders at Belle Vue obviously on their own track he might not have the same success. I agree it will probably be two home wins. Don't forget Belle Vue have beaten Sheffield easily on their track too and Lambert makes them stronger. I did watch last night but Wolves were very poor, Belle Vue won't fold like that. I hope it will be two cracking meetings with a close finish on two great racetracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 26 minutes ago, ouch said: So how would you describe 2022 World Pairs Champion, Warsaw GP winner and 2023 GP contestant Max Fricke? World class, just not as good as Lambert as proved by his max against Ipswich which Fricke hasn't done for a while. There is no doubt Lambert is an improvement on the unfortunate Fricke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted October 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, foreverblue said: I didn't say he would blow those riders away at Sheffield but judging by the Ipswich meeting and the way he went past Doyle, can't imagine he would have much trouble with the Sheffield riders at Belle Vue obviously on their own track he might not have the same success. I agree it will probably be two home wins. Don't forget Belle Vue have beaten Sheffield easily on their track too and Lambert makes them stronger. I did watch last night but Wolves were very poor, Belle Vue won't fold like that. I hope it will be two cracking meetings with a close finish on two great racetracks. We fold like that every final 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said: We fold like that every final You used to against Poole! The good old days I call them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry1603 Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 Potentially it could be a very close final between equally good teams and a great advertisement for the sport. I hope that both sets of clubs and the BSPA try to promote it properly - not holding my breath though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinker Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 I think it's very close to call. Yes, Wolves were poor last night but the Sheffield riders seem to have raised their game and were really getting stuck in. None more so than Kerr who could be a real spoiler in both legs. Holder and Ellis ride BV very well so the BV heat leaders won't have it all their own way by any means. Throw Mountain and Howarth into the mix (remember Mountain's performance in the British Final) and it could be one hell of a ding dong battle. BV will need to be on their A game as Sheffield will scrap for every point ..... bring it on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: World class, just not as good as Lambert as proved by his max against Ipswich which Fricke hasn't done for a while. There is no doubt Lambert is an improvement on the unfortunate Fricke. Yes, I’ll give you that. Robert did indeed get the full 15 against Ipswich whereas the last time they rode at the NSS, Max only got 14. Bloody Aces, strengthening up. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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