False dawn Posted November 8, 2022 Report Share Posted November 8, 2022 On 11/8/2022 at 9:45 PM, Byker Biker said: I am utterly dismayed that they honestly believe they can bring some credibilty to this competition by staging it with guests next year. Bury the problem now and don't drag the self humiliation into 2023.... Expand Holding over the completion of a competition to the following season is not without precedent. But completing a competition with only two out of the three finalists, with the two remaining teams operating in separate leagues looks like a bit of a nonsense. If Leicester and Poole, jointly, want to run an interleague challenge, with Poole running a guest or Leicester having somebody stepping down for the night, well fine. But please, let's give up on a competition that "died" some time ago. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/8/2022 at 6:56 PM, mikebv said: In the Speedway Star it states that Poole will be allowed to strengthen up as it is an "inter league" match now... It also quotes Danny Ford referencing the end of season issues and he says "I know a lot of people dont believe it, but there are a lot of smart promoters in the sport. We just need to get our heads together to really resolve this". I dont really think that the promoters have to be "too smart" to be honest given most of their issues are "bloody obvious mistakes", which even the most intellectually challenged promoter could surely spot the very moment they get suggested.. However, the likes of Ford, Louis, and Lemon, (and maybe some others?), do seem to have a fair idea on what the fans want, do appear to be "smart", and can see the negative impact such end of season nonsense has on the sports potential growth. Growth which they can see is certainly possible if the right decisions are made... You can only hope these promoters can influence the future rather than have what always seems to be a less capable "majority" always making the final decisions through sheer weight of numbers... NB. Another very good Speedway Star issue again by the way.. Expand Let's hope Danny Ford is made of more sincere stuff than his Dad then, Matt put Poole first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth etc etc, British Speedway was his very last thought! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 5:31 AM, Trees said: Let's hope Danny Ford is made of more sincere stuff than his Dad then, Matt put Poole first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth etc etc, British Speedway was his very last thought! Expand His teams regularly got me to attend when they were at Belle Vue... Not many other promoters' teams did the same... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/8/2022 at 7:09 PM, mikebv said: But are they? Sheer weight of numbers will as always see 'what's best for the majority" winning the day... Even if it isnt "what's best for the sport"... As is often said.. Without that independent body, or even a none independent trusted chairperson or committee, given total autonomy, running the sport, there will always be issues.. Expand It doesn't really matter whether there's an independent body or not, if the organisation/administration isn't in place we end up with a totally chaotic season like we've just had. Danny Ford is right there are some good people involved in the sport they're just not being led properly with poor admin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) On 11/8/2022 at 6:56 PM, mikebv said: In the Speedway Star it states that Poole will be allowed to strengthen up as it is an "inter league" match now... It also quotes Danny Ford referencing the end of season issues and he says "I know a lot of people dont believe it, but there are a lot of smart promoters in the sport. We just need to get our heads together to really resolve this". I dont really think that the promoters have to be "too smart" to be honest given most of their issues are "bloody obvious mistakes", which even the most intellectually challenged promoter could surely spot the very moment they get suggested.. However, the likes of Ford, Louis, and Lemon, (and maybe some others?), do seem to have a fair idea on what the fans want, do appear to be "smart", and can see the negative impact such end of season nonsense has on the sports potential growth. Growth which they can see is certainly possible if the right decisions are made... You can only hope these promoters can influence the future rather than have what always seems to be a less capable "majority" always making the final decisions through sheer weight of numbers... NB. Another very good Speedway Star issue again by the way.. Expand why will Poole be allowed to strengthen up when the top ! league riders are the same as the championship riders NUTS . Edited November 9, 2022 by jenga i dont need a reason ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 12:00 PM, jenga said: why will Poole be allowed to strengthen up when the top ! league riders are the same as the championship riders NUTS . Expand I guess it might depend on how different the team building points limits are and how much 'stronger' the Prem teams are likely to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) On 11/9/2022 at 12:38 PM, Skidder1 said: I guess it might depend on how different the team building points limits are and how much 'stronger' the Prem teams are likely to be? Expand It looks like you may well win an illegal Jubilee Trophy to go with your illegal Championship win... that's some double, even for Poole Edited November 9, 2022 by iainb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 12:52 PM, iainb said: It looks like you may well win an illegal Jubilee Trophy to go with your illegal Championship win... that's some double, even for Poole Expand You need to get out more and move on! Illegal my ar$e?!! There you go I've bitten. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 12:52 PM, iainb said: It looks like you may well win an illegal Jubilee Trophy to go with your illegal Championship win... that's some double, even for Poole Expand I fail to any sense in running this fixture next season.But that’s Speedway.Which Promotion actually thinks this is in “ the best interests of the sport.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 12:56 PM, Fromafar said: I fail to any sense in running this fixture next season.But that’s Speedway.Which Promotion actually thinks this is in “ the best interests of the sport.” Expand Probably those that will get a big pre-season crowd and pay day after a long winter!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 12:58 PM, Skidder1 said: Probably those that will get a big pre-season crowd and pay day after a long winter!! Expand Do you think It’s in the best “ interest of the sport”.? Considering your Team would be involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 12:52 PM, iainb said: It looks like you may well win an illegal Jubilee Trophy to go with your illegal Championship win... that's some double, even for Poole Expand What was illegal about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 1:47 PM, Arthur54 said: What was illegal about it Expand I think you know, in your heart of hearts. Leicester never had a home leg, rules clearly state that the winner is the team with the most points after the "home" and "away" legs". It would never stand up in court Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 1:55 PM, iainb said: I think you know, in your heart of hearts. Leicester never had a home leg, rules clearly state that the winner is the team with the most points after the "home" and "away" legs". It would never stand up in court Expand But king's Lynn was judged as the home leg, hence the practice session 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 1:58 PM, Arthur54 said: But king's Lynn was judged as the home leg, hence the practice session Expand Judged by Poole fans no doubt. King's Lynn is not Leicester's home track though, Leicester ride at Beaumont Park, that is their home. I don't think you'll find many people from outside Poole that think Leicester's home is in King's Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 1:06 PM, Fromafar said: Do you think It’s in the best “ interest of the sport”.? Considering your Team would be involved. Expand In it to win it as fans of both teams will be. If no other teams or fans are interested, fair enough. Not sure how it can 'damage the sport'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 2:04 PM, iainb said: Judged by Poole fans no doubt. King's Lynn is not Leicester's home track though, Leicester ride at Beaumont Park, that is their home. I don't think you'll find many people from outside Poole that think Leicester's home is in King's Lynn Expand ...but Leicester agreed (or proposed) the switch so...... ? Poole were pleased to simply get it on, despite a couple of riders never having seen the place and having no practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 2:07 PM, Skidder1 said: In it to win it as fans of both teams will be. If no other teams or fans are interested, fair enough. Not sure how it can 'damage the sport'? Expand On 11/9/2022 at 2:07 PM, Skidder1 said: In it to win it as fans of both teams will be. If no other teams or fans are interested, fair enough. Not sure how it can 'damage the sport'? Expand Aye right,it certainly cannot damage the sport much more,it’s already beyond repair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 2:04 PM, iainb said: Judged by Poole fans no doubt. King's Lynn is not Leicester's home track though, Leicester ride at Beaumont Park, that is their home. I don't think you'll find many people from outside Poole that think Leicester's home is in King's Lynn Expand I know king's Lynn is not Leicester's home track, but the 2nd leg at king's Lynn was classed as there home leg by the powers that be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 9, 2022 Report Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 2:13 PM, Arthur54 said: the 2nd leg at king's Lynn was classed as there home leg by the powers that be Expand Where does it say this? On 11/9/2022 at 2:10 PM, Skidder1 said: ...but Leicester agreed (or proposed) the switch so...... ? Poole were pleased to simply get it on, despite a couple of riders never having seen the place and having no practice. Expand Did they? Where does it say this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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