Bald Bloke Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 Panthers have no promoter. So can't race on Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 2 hours ago, lisa-colette said: I'd be interested to hear what BB thinks of all this as he was a big defender of Alex. I have posted all i can say on here about the chats i have had with Alex. But i will say he has nothing to do with the goings on at Peterborough.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 4 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: Panthers have no promoter. So can't race on Monday. That should save a few more quid....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, iainb said: I get it... the whole sport is in a mess, seeing any club go out of business through non attendance surely can't be the answer though, not if you really want to see Speedway survive and flourish. We all have our own ideas on what should be done but unfortunately as none of us are club owners there's very little we can do about it short of some kind of fan petition/demonstration You only have to look at the apathy at Swindon to see how little it really means to so many of the followers of the sport.. The ludicrous operating model, and the lack of credibility, integrity, kudos, marketing, and professional administration, has created that apathy... Basically. If something doesnt mean much to you, then you will hardly miss it when it is gone.. Too many fans can "take it or leave it", and that is 100% all down to those running it who have eroded that so vital emotional attachment.. And they have also made the sport probably (at least), 25% more expensive for fans than it should be.. And all done to ensure riders can remain fully professional in a sport that has semi pro level crowds... And all done in individual splendid isolation, rather than as a collective, with no independent balance checker to see if all OK and on track.. And all done to achieve.... (?)..... Sadly. It's a plaything for a select few that nowadays means far too little for far too many of its followers.. Edited July 8, 2023 by mikebv 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: I have posted all i can say on here about the chats i have had with Alex. But i will say he has nothing to do with the goings on at Peterborough.... Without doubt Brady had serious personal reasons for walking away but he’s left the club in an almighty mess and can’t walk and take no responsibility for the aftermath. Peterborough fans was promised the world by a potential new owner who didn’t or hasn’t yet bought the club- then Carl Johnson walks away just as Brady has at Lynn there is two common denominators at both clubs . As for Mondays Stars v Panthers being cancelled doesn’t take much to figure out Buster 14 riders to pay instead of 7 with poor crowds and Laguta to pay I’d guess it be financial suicide to run without extra backing . Edited July 8, 2023 by Haza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 It’s clear to me that Alex Brady( the successful estate agent) made Buster an offer to buy the the club. Buster and Alex had a “different” view of the value of the club which led to Brady walking away mid season diplomatically citing personal reasons. Buster is left with a wooden spoon club with a huge wage bill , two tractors a starting gate, and a stadium to stage a sport that is in terminal decline. He says he wants out….. but no one it seems will pay his asking price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 Some things are worth the money and you'll likely overpay, just look at people buying football clubs or players, Arsenal signing Rice for £100m if it doesn't work out someone would pay £60m still so he holds some form of value if he is exceptional then in 4 or 5 years time maybe someone will bid £200m as at some point tranfers fees will go even more crazy With speedway nobody will over pay for a club because there is no real way of generating income to excessive levels, limited tv money and no prize money, the value is minimal, only worth handing cash over if they get track equipment included On a different note spoke to a customer on the phone yesterday from Leicester, mentioned I'm going up there for the speedway at the end of the month His reply was speedway, not sure where that is but we have plenty of racing up here such as Donington Park lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 8 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: This King's Lynn side would batter 'top of the table' Oxford so I'm not sure it's right to call it a mid table Championship side. The 1-3-5 is closer but Oxford would be dominated at 2-4-6-7 positions 1. Sam Masters vs Artem Laguta 2. Henry Atkins vs Kye Thomson 3. Lewis Kerr vs Michael Palm-Toft 4. Jordan Jenkins vs Thomas Jorgensen 5. Scott Nicholls vs Nicolai Klindt 6. Cameron Heeps vs Simon Lambert 7. Ryan Kinsley vs Anders Rowe I think Oxford could beat KL at home but would loose on aggregate. Cheetahs strong at 3 and 5, and while Stars have the advantage at 2,4 & 6, they are hardly overwhelming (for example in the recent Oxford/Berwick fixtures Jenkins outscored Jorgensen 12 to 9). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 Peter Lynn Pant stars has a ring about it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 I feel sorry for PL CEO Phil Morris who seems to have inherited a poison chalice. With the progress being made this season, Phil might find he will be CEO of a league of 3 next season ?? The analogy with a football club valuation just doesn’t work because the riders have no real ££ value given the flaky contracts on which they are employed. They are only contracted from season to season, with no guarantee that they might just go to Poland ….. or retire ……. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said: I feel sorry for PL CEO Phil Morris who seems to have inherited a poison chalice. With the progress being made this season, Phil might find he will be CEO of a league of 3 next season ?? The analogy with a football club valuation just doesn’t work because the riders have no real ££ value given the flaky contracts on which they are employed. They are only contracted from season to season, with no guarantee that they might just go to Poland ….. or retire ……. Or just get dropped and given away o someone else for riding above their average... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 3 hours ago, mikebv said: You only have to look at the apathy at Swindon to see how little it really means to so many of the followers of the sport.. The ludicrous operating model, and the lack of credibility, integrity, kudos, marketing, and professional administration, has created that apathy... Basically. If something doesnt mean much to you, then you will hardly miss it when it is gone.. Too many fans can "take it or leave it", and that is 100% all down to those running it who have eroded that so vital emotional attachment.. And they have also made the sport probably (at least), 25% more expensive for fans than it should be.. And all done to ensure riders can remain fully professional in a sport that has semi pro level crowds... And all done in individual splendid isolation, rather than as a collective, with no independent balance checker to see if all OK and on track.. And all done to achieve.... (?)..... Sadly. It's a plaything for a select few that nowadays means far too little for far too many of its followers.. I don't know how or why but I think that's just a problem with British society today a general apathy to everything... you only have to look at the news agenda to see that, there's so much to protest about (I'm not going to name specifics as everybody will have their own particular thing that gets their goat). Why the masses are not on the street protesting, like the French, I will never know... we seem to have been beaten down so much in this country that generally it seems pointless in protesting about anything... it's too much trouble, nothing will ever get done, money will out... what's the point... and I include myself in that. Hats off to the Coventry team are like a dog with a bone trying to "save" Coventry Speedway, but, it's been 6 years now and the team are, in reality, no nearer to returning today than they were 6 years ago... and it maybe another 6 and they may be in the same position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 I hope they don’t get their license revoked due to concerns over the financial management of the club. Wouldn’t be good if they had significant debt but it looks like the actions of other people are the cause of the problems they have faced this season. Deja Vue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) Buster can’t afford 1 team. Let alone 2 so could we see a merger of both teams from now on. sadly close Peterborough and run a mixed team at lynn NKI Klindt tarasenko cook tungate (new signing) Simon lambert jenkins/rowe much more competitive team and only paying for 7 riders not 14 Edited July 8, 2023 by Phil The Ace 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bee Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, mikebv said: You only have to look at the apathy at Swindon to see how little it really means to so many of the followers of the sport.. The ludicrous operating model, and the lack of credibility, integrity, kudos, marketing, and professional administration, has created that apathy... Basically. If something doesnt mean much to you, then you will hardly miss it when it is gone.. Too many fans can "take it or leave it", and that is 100% all down to those running it who have eroded that so vital emotional attachment.. And they have also made the sport probably (at least), 25% more expensive for fans than it should be.. And all done to ensure riders can remain fully professional in a sport that has semi pro level crowds... And all done in individual splendid isolation, rather than as a collective, with no independent balance checker to see if all OK and on track.. And all done to achieve.... (?)..... Sadly. It's a plaything for a select few that nowadays means far too little for far too many of its followers.. This is spot on. As I replied on Twitter last night to Chris Louis, I now live 15 mins from the Leicester track and I don't go. I will not pay 20 plus to watch what is being served up. Guests, poor presentation, poor tracks, badly run meetings, a lack of transparency all amount to my decision. I will however religiously watch the GP's and the Polish League. I think a lot of us feel the same as Carl Johnson about British Speedway in that we've lost our enthusiasm. It now becomes more of "what shambles will happen this week" rather than looking forward to a meeting. Maybe its because I lost my team six years ago, who knows, but at present I feel content that my team isn't part of it. My next meeting will be Cardiff and perhaps another trip to Poland having been earlier in the year. I'd rather spend my money on something that has credibility, integrity, kudos, marketing and is professional. I've heard over recent years plenty of people say "if you don't like it, don't go". And there are a lot of us now doing exactly that. You can read on here how people feel. Ok it maybe only be a small percentage that post but there will be plenty of others that don't visit this forum that will feel exactly the same as I do. I know of others that have given up on it and now spend their money elsewhere. I haven't fallen out of love with Speedway, I still love it, I always will. Its my number one sport. But I have fallen out of love with it in this country and the powers that be need to do something to get people like me back. Edited July 8, 2023 by Mr Bee 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 13 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said: Buster can’t afford 1 team. Let alone 2 so could we see a merger of both teams from now on. sadly close Peterborough and run a mixed team at lynn NKI Klindt tarasenko cook tungate (new signing) Simon lambert jenkins/rowe much more competitive team and only paying for 7 riders not 14 And that’s why Stars v Panthers is off on Monday he’s 14 riders to pay and the numbers don’t add up financially it be suicide to run it - on attendees alone so seeking financial help . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Haza said: And that’s why Stars v Panthers is off on Monday he’s 14 riders to pay and the numbers don’t add up financially it be suicide to run it - on attendees alone so seeking financial help . I think you've hit the nail on the head. He's been left with 2 teams, one with no Promoters, the other KL with an experienced but non investing one. With deals done by others that probably in the region of 20k to cover all costs. Are 1000 going to turn up at 20 quid a pop, no chance. The other issue which cant be kicked in to long grass IF there is a return fixture its the same scenario in reverse. Are we realistically looking at BV Sheffield Leicester Ipswich Poole Oxford Glasgow Redcar ------ Scunthorpe Berwick Edinburgh? Plymouth? Birmingham? Mildenhall Workibgton Kent 2 Divisions next year with top league a PL CL composite and Other a CL NDL compisite Edited July 8, 2023 by HGould spell / missed word 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Haza said: And that’s why Stars v Panthers is off on Monday he’s 14 riders to pay and the numbers don’t add up financially it be suicide to run it - on attendees alone so seeking financial help . Is he applying for a payday loan to cover the wages of the same 14 riders twice in a week on July 24th & 27th ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: Is he applying for a payday loan to cover the wages of the same 14 riders twice in a week on July 24th & 27th ? Don't exist any more do they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 39 minutes ago, HGould said: I think you've hit the nail on the head. He's been left with 2 teams, one with no Promoters, the other KL with an experienced but non investing one. With deals done by others that probably in the region of 20k to cover all costs. Are 1000 going to turn up at 20 quid a pop, no chance. The other issue which cant be kicked in to long grass IF there is a return fixture its the same scenario in reverse. Are we realistically looking at BV Sheffield Leicester Ipswich Poole Oxford Glasgow Redcar ------ Scunthorpe Berwick Edinburgh? Plymouth? Birmingham? Mildenhall Workibgton Kent 2 Divisions next year with top league a PL CL composite and Other a CL NDL compisite Not forgetting the possibility of Rye House also! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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