IainB Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Daniel Smith said: In the top flight King's Lynn & glory hunting isn't something that can be thrown at King's Lynn fans ever. Many on here have been fans for more than 30yrs & success isn't what is demanded. What is demanded though in 2023 is VFM. There's not 1 thing currently about King's Lynn (& Peterborough) that give anything back to the fans. Poor track, poor racing, poor team, poor food etc. Why should us not going feel guilty if the club closes?? I've always said it, I'll say it again & it's absolutely, without question, fact: IT'S NEVER THE FANS FAULT IF A CLUB CLOSES. It's on those running the clubs I'm specifically addressing those fans that don't attend because their team ain't winning. If every fan took that stance the team finishing bottom of the league every year would close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 I'd be interested to hear what BB thinks of all this as he was a big defender of Alex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 Just now, iainb said: I'm specifically addressing those fans that don't attend because their team ain't winning. If every fan took that stance the team finishing bottom of the league every year would close I'm simply saying that's not something you can throw at King's Lynn fans, we're used to not winning. There are far greater circumstances to people not attending, not winning isn't a major factor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, iainb said: It's alright to hold this view if you are prepared to kiss goodbye to speedway and not miss it. I would say you shouldn't hold this position if you are planning on attending again once a team starts winning. Speedway changes the rules so often that a club is not in the doldrums for that long and things can change very quickly when the right people are in the right positions on both sides of the fence. You only have to look at clubs that have won things in any league in speedway and then compare that to other sports... the only serial winners in speedway had been Poole You have two distinct fan bases now... Those who "wear the club shop" and still believe it means something to follow "their team", (no matter how contrived and random it often is)... And the other being those who just go along for a decent night out to watch the racing.. Unfortunately when you have a poor team, AND poor racing, you alienate both sets of potential punters... With the self fulfilling prophecy of less fans attending, meaning less atmosphere, meaning less fans attending, meaning less atmosphere, meaning less etc etc etc... Covid was the time to start again... You can only presume, by their lack of action, that the promoters saw absolutely no reason to do anything of the sort. A bed they made, to now lie in.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: I'm simply saying that's not something you can throw at King's Lynn fans, we're used to not winning. There are far greater circumstances to people not attending, not winning isn't a major factor. I'm not throwing anything at KL fans I'm specifically addressing @Bagpuss and fans like him who clearly bleed green & gold () that at this moment if they don't support their club... not team... there will be no club. I'm currently catching up with last nights meeting, I'm at heat 7, track seems perfectly fine, there's been a couple of good races, the stars are just getting stuffed due to a poor team being put together Edited July 7, 2023 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 I hate to say this but postponing a meeting brings back memories of Rye House. I hope things turn out differently for the sake of the regulars at Kings Lynn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: I'd be interested to hear what BB thinks of all this as he was a big defender of Alex. I've got to be honest, I think that press release is an absolute disgrace. It's a clear effort to not put any blame on to Buster & or Allitt. People have missed the point in that King's Lynn (& Peterborough) have been run disgracefully even pre Brady & the common denominator in that is the 2 names within my 2nd paragraph. It's not a coincidence 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, mikebv said: You have two distinct fan bases now... Those who "wear the club shop" and still believe it means something to follow "their team", (no matter how contrived and random it often is)... And the other being those who just go along for a decent night out to watch the racing.. Unfortunately when you have a poor team, AND poor racing, you alienate both sets of potential punters... With the self fulfilling prophecy of less fans attending, meaning less atmosphere, meaning less fans attending, meaning less atmosphere, meaning less etc etc etc... Covid was the time to start again... You can only presume, by their lack of action, that the promoters saw absolutely no reason to do anything of the sort. A bed they made, to now lie in.... I think there's a third base, and I've just referenced it in my previous post... supporters of the club, which is different to the team, the club, it's history, the volunteer staff that make it all happen, it's just a shame that some of the mercenaries that ride for the club don't share the same passion as some of the clubs followers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 If Peterborough and Lynn go under then poor old Ipswich could end up with a wooden spoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers99 Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: If Peterborough and Lynn go under then poor old Ipswich could end up with a wooden spoon Imagine having the two highest averaged riders in the league and finishing bottom, talk about embarrassing..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 12 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: If Peterborough and Lynn go under then poor old Ipswich could end up with a wooden spoon I hope neither go under. But happens with Discovery? I thought there had to be at least 6 teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleze Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 (edited) 37 minutes ago, iainb said: I think there's a third base, and I've just referenced it in my previous post... supporters of the club, which is different to the team, the club, it's history, the volunteer staff that make it all happen, it's just a shame that some of the mercenaries that ride for the club don't share the same passion as some of the clubs followers I’m sure many riders would like to have “ a club” the rules dictate they move about, be that 1-7 or guests… it’s their chosen living & they take risks. it’s a bs/contrived.. “cough” sport. People like to belong, be that in relationships, a work environment, a band, a team to play in or follow etc etc.d How can you get behind a team in Speedway when many of the team change year in year out, and often on a wk to wk basis. That’s how you build something and something sustainable.. Speedway can’t do that, which then leads to apathy and zero credibility… Sports pages would love to get behind something creating a buzz (for sales obvs) it’s crisis after crisis.. I wonder how Discovery view this farce. Edited July 7, 2023 by Littleze Spelling/context 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 The press release is aimed at promoting fear among speedway fans and Lynn fans stating money problems i.e. over budget so i.e. we need all fans to attend to see us through the season And but we will want to come to the tapes in 2024 i.e. give us your money and we'll give you hope Buster is seeking special dispensation to allow for doubling IN not down or up but doubling IN the same division and nights either of his sides is not racing, he wants to be able to select a septet of the two The reality tho is he needs to bin Laguta due to Artems polish club not allowing him to race in the UK, and just use Iversen as a permanent guest for the remainder of the season Try and offload the club to someone who may keep lynn in a top flight championship or buster get someone in to help have a go at championship level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 4 hours ago, StarBoy said: The end is definitely nigh. It certainly looks very grim and what a bizarre statement and strange action to take that will only add to the probability that KL will be closed down. The problems are all down to Chapman and his useless management of the club and that includes letting Brady get involved. He has only himself to blame for the desperate state of financial affairs at KL and accept responsibility and suffer the consequences. The truth is KL fans have been let badly down by Chapman and may end up losing there club which will be a loss to the sport unlike the village idiot Chapman who will not be. He is certainly not the saviour of KL but the destroyer and he should have been kicked out years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Littleze said: I’m sure many riders would like to have “ a club” the rules dictate they move about, be that 1-7 or guests… it’s their chosen living & they take risks. it’s a bs/contrived.. “cough” sport. People like to belong, be that in relationships, a work environment, a band, a team to play in or follow etc etc. How can you get behind a team in Speedway when many of the team change year in year out, and often on a wk to wk basis. That’s how you build something and something sustainable.. Speedway can do that, which then leads to apathy and zero credibility… Sports pages would love to get behind something creating a buzz (for sales obvs) it’s crisis after crisis.. I wonder how Discovery view this farce. I get it... the whole sport is in a mess, seeing any club go out of business through non attendance surely can't be the answer though, not if you really want to see Speedway survive and flourish. We all have our own ideas on what should be done but unfortunately as none of us are club owners there's very little we can do about it short of some kind of fan petition/demonstration Edited July 7, 2023 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleze Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said: The press release is aimed at promoting fear among speedway fans and Lynn fans stating money problems i.e. over budget so i.e. we need all fans to attend to see us through the season And but we will want to come to the tapes in 2024 i.e. give us your money and we'll give you hope Buster is seeking special dispensation to allow for doubling IN not down or up but doubling IN the same division and nights either of his sides is not racing, he wants to be able to select a septet of the two The reality tho is he needs to bin Laguta due to Artems polish club not allowing him to race in the UK, and just use Iversen as a permanent guest for the remainder of the season Try and offload the club to someone who may keep lynn in a top flight championship or buster get someone in to help have a go at championship level That’s what Speedway clubs always do, put it on the fans, by promoting fear.. Cov, Lynn recently, Newcastle, Swindon.. blah blah blah. seriously, what’s to lose.. a weekly tradition, you’ll soon find something else to replace it with, most others have. I’ve been attending since my Mum & Dad took me to Rye House when I was 6months old.. (obviously I was oblivious) we went every week, often to tracks of teams we didn’t support. I didn’t have a car for a few yrs (late 20’s) I’m 51 now.. I went to Peterborough and took my then gf and my mum.. gf had never been & mum had not attended for years… I was early 30’s.. I ran up to see the track, crowd..I was a kid again. I/we had a good night, but I soon realised it was amateurish.. C Horton was in charge at the time.. and it’s been a love/hate again ever since.. and then I went to Cardiff last year…with a mate who had never been there. I can’t even be arsed to explain what I thought of that day/night. i also had a letter published in the Speedway Star, years ago now.. saying the same s*it I and many others have been saying for years.. it’s effing boring & I bore myself with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleze Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, iainb said: I get it... the whole sport is in a mess, seeing any club go out of business through non attendance surely can't be the answer though, not if you really want to see Speedway survive and flourish. We all have our own ideas on what should be done but unfortunately as none of us are club owners there's very little we can do about it short of some kind of fan petition/demonstration I have no idea what it involves or takes to run a Speedway Club or the logistics and finances it requires.. I have run/managed football clubs.. and regardless of the level… it takes time, and commitment, so I’m reluctant to dig out individuals, however… as a (presumably) collective it’s failure upon failure year in year out.. aided and abetted by the Speedway Star.. their cosy journalism* etc are complicit imo. Do they know any other word to describe a healthy crowd (it’s always BUMPER… I mean even that word is from the 70’s) i think you need to let it fail, otherwise you’re just saying… this is fine by me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 You can't put out mid table Championship teams at Premiership level and expect the fans to turn out in numbers just to see an uncompetitive team go 20-10 or 21-9 down after 6 heats almost every week. Especially in these times when mortgages, household bills etc. are sky rocketing, You need to give the fans a reason to turn up, Come and watch our understrength team get battered isn't going to wash unless you want to reduce admission costs to £10 an Adult and kids for a £1, Fans may turn up then just for a night out. But they won't be rushing to get in at £22+ other expenses per night to see the opposition cruise to 4-2's and 5-1's in almost every heat. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 18 minutes ago, Littleze said: I have no idea what it involves or takes to run a Speedway Club or the logistics and finances it requires.. I have run/managed football clubs.. and regardless of the level… it takes time, and commitment, so I’m reluctant to dig out individuals, however… as a (presumably) collective it’s failure upon failure year in year out.. aided and abetted by the Speedway Star.. their cosy journalism* etc are complicit imo. Do they know any other word to describe a healthy crowd (it’s always BUMPER… I mean even that word is from the 70’s) i think you need to let it fail, otherwise you’re just saying… this is fine by me. For years now, speedway has been paying riders daft money and relying on TV money or sponsorship. Get it all back to basics with riders having 1 bike and a track spare, cut out the flash helmets and vans etc and make it sustainable and enjoyable. Yes it's going backwards to the 70s but you might just save it as a sport and it might reinvent itself with some modern thinking promotion. Get it down to 10 kwid or less to get in and let the money grabbers clear off to Poland. Rant over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, TTT said: You can't put out mid table Championship teams at Premiership level and expect the fans to turn out in numbers just to see an uncompetitive team go 20-10 or 21-9 down after 6 heats almost every week. Especially in these times when mortgages, household bills etc. are sky rocketing, You need to give the fans a reason to turn up, Come and watch our understrength team get battered isn't going to wash unless you want to reduce admission costs to £10 an Adult and kids for a £1, Fans may turn up then just for a night out. But they won't be rushing to get in at £22+ other expenses per night to see the opposition cruise to 4-2's and 5-1's in almost every heat. This King's Lynn side would batter 'top of the table' Oxford so I'm not sure it's right to call it a mid table Championship side. The 1-3-5 is closer but Oxford would be dominated at 2-4-6-7 positions 1. Sam Masters vs Artem Laguta 2. Henry Atkins vs Kye Thomson 3. Lewis Kerr vs Michael Palm-Toft 4. Jordan Jenkins vs Thomas Jorgensen 5. Scott Nicholls vs Nicolai Klindt 6. Cameron Heeps vs Simon Lambert 7. Ryan Kinsley vs Anders Rowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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