Plymouth Gladiators 2023

[Fromafar]

9 minutes ago, cinderfella said:

From what I've heard the Plymouth Promoter was acting in the interests of rider safety re a concern about tyres. I'm sure arider of Kyle Howarth's experience knows enough about tyres to raise his concerns. 

For the match referee to declare that punctures are a part of speedway and telling the riders to get on with it is what needs investigating imo

 

You have to wonder why he could not have contacted the Ref by phone or via the Clerk of the course.IMO

Edited September 8, 2023 by Fromafar

[cinderfella]

16 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

You have to wonder why he could not have contacted the Ref by phone or via the Clerk of the course.IMO

Indeed. 

I'm assuming he did but perhaps wasn't getting the referee's full attention to the seriousness of the matter. 

[*JJ]

Howarth is hardly the first rider to get a flat tyre. No-one else had any problems, nor did Howarth himself later. Phillips was probably trying the same trick which worked so well for Redcar a couple of years ago: make a fuss about the track to put off the opposition.

And this was the only time in speedway history that the referee has had a standing ovation

[SteveLyric2]

I doubt Mark Phillips will pay any fine, he'll just withdraw Plymouth from the League in 2024 and join the NORA set-up!  Its highly likely that he would do that anyway prior to any SCB punishment.

[Jonnybegood]

11 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

I doubt Mark Phillips will pay any fine, he'll just withdraw Plymouth from the League in 2024 and join the NORA set-up!  Its highly likely that he would do that anyway prior to any SCB punishment.

I don’t think Mark has inherited any of the Poole mentality, (Dummy spitters) and the fines go to the Ben fund anyway . 

[HGould]

30 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

I doubt Mark Phillips will pay any fine, he'll just withdraw Plymouth from the League in 2024 and join the NORA set-up!  Its highly likely that he would do that anyway prior to any SCB punishment.

Something about this struck a chord about this topic and hey presto I found it. 

Scunny v Eastbourne June 21. Kyle Newman tyre, disintegrated. Plenty of pictures if you search for it. 

Maybe Skidder you could ask Kyle. I'm sure he'd remember it. 

Sometimes Refs aren't interested. 

Clerks of the Course feel compromised. 

Mark had the balls to ride round Exeter, that's proof enough for anyone to know he has rider safety at heart. 

Hopefully Plymouth will stay under BSPL and not be lost. 

[HGould]

45 minutes ago, *JJ said:

Howarth is hardly the first rider to get a flat tyre. No-one else had any problems, nor did Howarth himself later. Phillips was probably trying the same trick which worked so well for Redcar a couple of years ago: make a fuss about the track to put off the opposition.

And this was the only time in speedway history that the referee has had a standing ovation

Standing ovation from people who'd crao their pants if ever they had a tyre deflate mid race. In fact Thay defecate when they dropped the clutch

 

Edited September 8, 2023 by HGould
Spell

[cinderfella]

5 minutes ago, HGould said:

Something about this struck a chord about this topic and hey presto I found it. 

Scunny v Eastbourne June 21. Kyle Newman tyre, disintegrated. Plenty of pictures if you search for it. 

Maybe Skidder you could ask Kyle. I'm sure he'd remember it. 

Sometimes Refs aren't interested. 

Clerks of the Course feel compromised. 

Mark had the balls to ride round Exeter, that's proof enough for anyone to know he has rider safety at heart. 

Hopefully Plymouth will stay under BSPL and not be lost. 

A meeting had to be abandoned last season because of substandard tyres. 

From memory Ben Basso had a big off as a result of a tyre disintegrating. 

[lewy]

58 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

I doubt Mark Phillips will pay any fine, he'll just withdraw Plymouth from the League in 2024 and join the NORA set-up!  Its highly likely that he would do that anyway prior to any SCB punishment.

Why do you think that,what are you making your assumptions on would like to know or are you just stirring the rubbishe again Mr snidey. 

[lewy]

1 hour ago, *JJ said:

Howarth is hardly the first rider to get a flat tyre. No-one else had any problems, nor did Howarth himself later. Phillips was probably trying the same trick which worked so well for Redcar a couple of years ago: make a fuss about the track to put off the opposition.

And this was the only time in speedway history that the referee has had a standing ovation

It was a bit more than a flat tyre, the tyre exploded causing hundreds of pounds worth of damage to Kyle's bike, thankfully it happened on the straight and not on the bends which could have been catastrophic. 

[arnieg]

1 hour ago, cinderfella said:

A meeting had to be abandoned last season because of substandard tyres. 

From memory Ben Basso had a big off as a result of a tyre disintegrating. 

Panthers v Sheffield abandoned at 32-28.

But crucially it was not just one tyre, but several. We're there other tyre issues in the Brum meeting?

[szkocjasid]

2 hours ago, cinderfella said:

From what I've heard the Plymouth Promoter was acting in the interests of rider safety re a concern about tyres. I'm sure a rider of Kyle Howarth's experience knows enough about tyres to raise his concerns. 

For the match referee to declare that punctures are a part of speedway and telling the riders to get on with it is what needs investigating imo

I don't really know the goings on at Plymouth, but surely if any rider spoke to the referee about their concerns over tyre safety, it's his duty to inspect them or ask machine examiner to before starting any more races?

[lewy]

On the Plymouth Facebook page, experienced and top mechanic, jake Barritt has posted a pic of the tyre in question. 

[Petecc]

Howarths tyre did explode and left a large hole in it. There were concerns that it could be a bad batch of tyres ( like at Peterborough) but how was the referee going to find out after heat 1. He had to continue with the meeting to find out and was proven right and no other issues were raised.  

[szkocjasid]

1 hour ago, Petecc said:

Howarths tyre did explode and left a large hole in it. There were concerns that it could be a bad batch of tyres  like at Peterborough) but how was the referee going to find out after heat 1. He had to continue with the meeting to find out and was proven right and no other issues were raised.  

But surely you don't want to carry on with the meeting & wait till a rider gets seriously injured before realising something is wrong with the tyres?

[HGould]

7 hours ago, Petecc said:

Howarths tyre did explode and left a large hole in it. There were concerns that it could be a bad batch of tyres ( like at Peterborough) but how was the referee going to find out after heat 1. He had to continue with the meeting to find out and was proven right and no other issues were raised.  

So what if a tyre had exploded in Heat 2 (far less experienced riders possibly than Howarth) and a rider had been very badly injured.

Surely IF IN DOUBT act and do something. At least the courtesy of going down to the Pits and having a look and a chat with Clerk of the Course and Howarth himself. 

Mark Phillips has ridden speedway bikes, not sure who the ref was but have they??.

[SteveLyric2]

11 hours ago, lewy said:

Why do you think that,what are you making your assumptions on would like to know or are you just stirring the rubbishe again Mr snidey. 

I was actually supporting Mark Phillips action and have a fair idea of where his head is at the moment! Let's see.......

[StevePark]

5 hours ago, HGould said:

So what if a tyre had exploded in Heat 2 (far less experienced riders possibly than Howarth) and a rider had been very badly injured.

Surely IF IN DOUBT act and do something. At least the courtesy of going down to the Pits and having a look and a chat with Clerk of the Course and Howarth himself. 

Mark Phillips has ridden speedway bikes, not sure who the ref was but have they??.

Seth Perkin (according to updates).

[Petecc]

18 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

But surely you don't want to carry on with the meeting & wait till a rider gets seriously injured before realising something is wrong with the tyres?

Please tell me how else do you find out, or do you abandon the meeting and every other meeting when someone has a flat tyre. I'm sure that will give everyone something to moan about.

[szkocjasid]

23 hours ago, Petecc said:

Howarths tyre did explode and left a large hole in it. There were concerns that it could be a bad batch of tyres ( like at Peterborough) but how was the referee going to find out after heat 1. He had to continue with the meeting to find out and was proven right and no other issues were raised.  

 

22 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

But surely you don't want to carry on with the meeting & wait till a rider gets seriously injured before realising something is wrong with the tyres?

 

3 hours ago, Petecc said:

Please tell me how else do you find out, or do you abandon the meeting and every other meeting when someone has a flat tyre. I'm sure that will give everyone something to moan about.

I assume you would do the same with every other safety check, if a rider says the track is unsafe - it can be inspected. If the air fence doesn't look safe - it can be inspected, so I'd assume the same must be the same for tyres?

Otherwise your comment that the ref "had to continue with the meeting to find out and was proven right and no other issues were raised" could be used whenever a match is called off, how can they decide a track is unsafe without starting the match?