Fromafar Posted September 8, 2023 Report Share Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, cinderfella said: From what I've heard the Plymouth Promoter was acting in the interests of rider safety re a concern about tyres. I'm sure arider of Kyle Howarth's experience knows enough about tyres to raise his concerns. For the match referee to declare that punctures are a part of speedway and telling the riders to get on with it is what needs investigating imo You have to wonder why he could not have contacted the Ref by phone or via the Clerk of the course.IMO Edited September 8, 2023 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted September 8, 2023 Report Share Posted September 8, 2023 16 minutes ago, Fromafar said: You have to wonder why he could not have contacted the Ref by phone or via the Clerk of the course.IMO Indeed. I'm assuming he did but perhaps wasn't getting the referee's full attention to the seriousness of the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted September 8, 2023 Report Share Posted September 8, 2023 Howarth is hardly the first rider to get a flat tyre. No-one else had any problems, nor did Howarth himself later. Phillips was probably trying the same trick which worked so well for Redcar a couple of years ago: make a fuss about the track to put off the opposition. And this was the only time in speedway history that the referee has had a standing ovation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 8, 2023 Report Share Posted September 8, 2023 I doubt Mark Phillips will pay any fine, he'll just withdraw Plymouth from the League in 2024 and join the NORA set-up! Its highly likely that he would do that anyway prior to any SCB punishment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnybegood Posted September 8, 2023 Report Share Posted September 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: I doubt Mark Phillips will pay any fine, he'll just withdraw Plymouth from the League in 2024 and join the NORA set-up! Its highly likely that he would do that anyway prior to any SCB punishment. I don’t think Mark has inherited any of the Poole mentality, (Dummy spitters) and the fines go to the Ben fund anyway . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted September 8, 2023 Report Share Posted September 8, 2023 30 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: I doubt Mark Phillips will pay any fine, he'll just withdraw Plymouth from the League in 2024 and join the NORA set-up! Its highly likely that he would do that anyway prior to any SCB punishment. Something about this struck a chord about this topic and hey presto I found it. Scunny v Eastbourne June 21. Kyle Newman tyre, disintegrated. Plenty of pictures if you search for it. Maybe Skidder you could ask Kyle. I'm sure he'd remember it. Sometimes Refs aren't interested. Clerks of the Course feel compromised. Mark had the balls to ride round Exeter, that's proof enough for anyone to know he has rider safety at heart. Hopefully Plymouth will stay under BSPL and not be lost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted September 8, 2023 Report Share Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, *JJ said: Howarth is hardly the first rider to get a flat tyre. No-one else had any problems, nor did Howarth himself later. Phillips was probably trying the same trick which worked so well for Redcar a couple of years ago: make a fuss about the track to put off the opposition. And this was the only time in speedway history that the referee has had a standing ovation Standing ovation from people who'd crao their pants if ever they had a tyre deflate mid race. In fact Thay defecate when they dropped the clutch Edited September 8, 2023 by HGould Spell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted September 8, 2023 Report Share Posted September 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, HGould said: Something about this struck a chord about this topic and hey presto I found it. Scunny v Eastbourne June 21. Kyle Newman tyre, disintegrated. Plenty of pictures if you search for it. Maybe Skidder you could ask Kyle. I'm sure he'd remember it. Sometimes Refs aren't interested. Clerks of the Course feel compromised. Mark had the balls to ride round Exeter, that's proof enough for anyone to know he has rider safety at heart. Hopefully Plymouth will stay under BSPL and not be lost. A meeting had to be abandoned last season because of substandard tyres. From memory Ben Basso had a big off as a result of a tyre disintegrating. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted September 8, 2023 Report Share Posted September 8, 2023 58 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: I doubt Mark Phillips will pay any fine, he'll just withdraw Plymouth from the League in 2024 and join the NORA set-up! Its highly likely that he would do that anyway prior to any SCB punishment. Why do you think that,what are you making your assumptions on would like to know or are you just stirring the rubbishe again Mr snidey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted September 8, 2023 Report Share Posted September 8, 2023 1 hour ago, *JJ said: Howarth is hardly the first rider to get a flat tyre. No-one else had any problems, nor did Howarth himself later. Phillips was probably trying the same trick which worked so well for Redcar a couple of years ago: make a fuss about the track to put off the opposition. And this was the only time in speedway history that the referee has had a standing ovation It was a bit more than a flat tyre, the tyre exploded causing hundreds of pounds worth of damage to Kyle's bike, thankfully it happened on the straight and not on the bends which could have been catastrophic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted September 8, 2023 Report Share Posted September 8, 2023 1 hour ago, cinderfella said: A meeting had to be abandoned last season because of substandard tyres. From memory Ben Basso had a big off as a result of a tyre disintegrating. Panthers v Sheffield abandoned at 32-28. But crucially it was not just one tyre, but several. We're there other tyre issues in the Brum meeting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted September 8, 2023 Report Share Posted September 8, 2023 2 hours ago, cinderfella said: From what I've heard the Plymouth Promoter was acting in the interests of rider safety re a concern about tyres. I'm sure a rider of Kyle Howarth's experience knows enough about tyres to raise his concerns. For the match referee to declare that punctures are a part of speedway and telling the riders to get on with it is what needs investigating imo I don't really know the goings on at Plymouth, but surely if any rider spoke to the referee about their concerns over tyre safety, it's his duty to inspect them or ask machine examiner to before starting any more races? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted September 8, 2023 Report Share Posted September 8, 2023 On the Plymouth Facebook page, experienced and top mechanic, jake Barritt has posted a pic of the tyre in question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petecc Posted September 8, 2023 Report Share Posted September 8, 2023 Howarths tyre did explode and left a large hole in it. There were concerns that it could be a bad batch of tyres ( like at Peterborough) but how was the referee going to find out after heat 1. He had to continue with the meeting to find out and was proven right and no other issues were raised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted September 8, 2023 Report Share Posted September 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Petecc said: Howarths tyre did explode and left a large hole in it. There were concerns that it could be a bad batch of tyres like at Peterborough) but how was the referee going to find out after heat 1. He had to continue with the meeting to find out and was proven right and no other issues were raised. But surely you don't want to carry on with the meeting & wait till a rider gets seriously injured before realising something is wrong with the tyres? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted September 9, 2023 Report Share Posted September 9, 2023 7 hours ago, Petecc said: Howarths tyre did explode and left a large hole in it. There were concerns that it could be a bad batch of tyres ( like at Peterborough) but how was the referee going to find out after heat 1. He had to continue with the meeting to find out and was proven right and no other issues were raised. So what if a tyre had exploded in Heat 2 (far less experienced riders possibly than Howarth) and a rider had been very badly injured. Surely IF IN DOUBT act and do something. At least the courtesy of going down to the Pits and having a look and a chat with Clerk of the Course and Howarth himself. Mark Phillips has ridden speedway bikes, not sure who the ref was but have they??. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 9, 2023 Report Share Posted September 9, 2023 11 hours ago, lewy said: Why do you think that,what are you making your assumptions on would like to know or are you just stirring the rubbishe again Mr snidey. I was actually supporting Mark Phillips action and have a fair idea of where his head is at the moment! Let's see....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted September 9, 2023 Report Share Posted September 9, 2023 5 hours ago, HGould said: So what if a tyre had exploded in Heat 2 (far less experienced riders possibly than Howarth) and a rider had been very badly injured. Surely IF IN DOUBT act and do something. At least the courtesy of going down to the Pits and having a look and a chat with Clerk of the Course and Howarth himself. Mark Phillips has ridden speedway bikes, not sure who the ref was but have they??. Seth Perkin (according to updates). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petecc Posted September 9, 2023 Report Share Posted September 9, 2023 18 hours ago, szkocjasid said: But surely you don't want to carry on with the meeting & wait till a rider gets seriously injured before realising something is wrong with the tyres? Please tell me how else do you find out, or do you abandon the meeting and every other meeting when someone has a flat tyre. I'm sure that will give everyone something to moan about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted September 9, 2023 Report Share Posted September 9, 2023 23 hours ago, Petecc said: Howarths tyre did explode and left a large hole in it. There were concerns that it could be a bad batch of tyres ( like at Peterborough) but how was the referee going to find out after heat 1. He had to continue with the meeting to find out and was proven right and no other issues were raised. 22 hours ago, szkocjasid said: But surely you don't want to carry on with the meeting & wait till a rider gets seriously injured before realising something is wrong with the tyres? 3 hours ago, Petecc said: Please tell me how else do you find out, or do you abandon the meeting and every other meeting when someone has a flat tyre. I'm sure that will give everyone something to moan about. I assume you would do the same with every other safety check, if a rider says the track is unsafe - it can be inspected. If the air fence doesn't look safe - it can be inspected, so I'd assume the same must be the same for tyres? Otherwise your comment that the ref "had to continue with the meeting to find out and was proven right and no other issues were raised" could be used whenever a match is called off, how can they decide a track is unsafe without starting the match? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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