Plymouth Gladiators 2023

[foreverblue]

4 minutes ago, phillipsr said:

Wasnt aware over the whole season he averaged that and by those stats you have to say he is 

What i do find interesting here is that i would consider King an out and out number 1 (At least what that is in my head) but never Worrall, Howarth or Riss   

King had some really awful meetings earlier in the season due to some real issues with his machinery. 

[Fromafar]

43 minutes ago, arnieg said:

How about we look at a longer period like the whole of 2022.

Official fixtures exc bonus

Rider	M	R	Pts	BP	Tot	Av inc BP	Av no BP
Sam Masters	26	131	322	14	336	10.26	9.83
Ryan Douglas	20	110	264	7	271	9.85	9.60
Richard Lawson	37	177	408	28	436	9.85	9.22
Nick Morris	32	137	308	9	317	9.26	8.99
Josh Pickering	31	156	344	22	366	9.38	8.82
Erik Riss	26	125	274	18	292	9.34	8.77
Chris Harris	23	124	272	10	282	9.10	8.77
Kyle Howarth	31	150	328	17	345	9.20	8.75
Richie Worrall	34	165	357	15	372	9.02	8.65
Danny King	37	164	352	23	375	9.15	8.59

3rd over the whole season - sounds like a no 1 to me

If you takes these stats he is really is Top Man,most matches most points,most bonus points.Don’t know all this knocking of him,he has been aTop man in the Championship over a number of years.Just a gater they moan,trouble is he gates most of the time.!!!!!

[mc131]

1 hour ago, arnieg said:

How about we look at a longer period like the whole of 2022.

Official fixtures exc bonus

Rider	M	R	Pts	BP	Tot	Av inc BP	Av no BP
Sam Masters	26	131	322	14	336	10.26	9.83
Ryan Douglas	20	110	264	7	271	9.85	9.60
Richard Lawson	37	177	408	28	436	9.85	9.22
Nick Morris	32	137	308	9	317	9.26	8.99
Josh Pickering	31	156	344	22	366	9.38	8.82
Erik Riss	26	125	274	18	292	9.34	8.77
Chris Harris	23	124	272	10	282	9.10	8.77
Kyle Howarth	31	150	328	17	345	9.20	8.75
Richie Worrall	34	165	357	15	372	9.02	8.65
Danny King	37	164	352	23	375	9.15	8.59

3rd over the whole season - sounds like a no 1 to me

I don't even no why this is a discussion he's a top man in cl definitely a out and out no1 solid every where he rides.

The stats above prove that

[LisaColette]

34 minutes ago, mc131 said:

I don't even no why this is a discussion he's a top man in cl definitely a out and out no1 solid every where he rides.

The stats above prove that

@ragdoll64 wanted a reason. So there it is! 

[PTW]

3 hours ago, phillipsr said:

Wasnt aware over the whole season he averaged that and by those stats you have to say he is 

What i do find interesting here is that i would consider King an out and out number 1 (At least what that is in my head) but never Worrall, Howarth or Riss   

Completely agree with that statement,if Howarth,worrall or Riss rode at no1 for whole season there average would go down by quite a bit imo,where as the other riders average would stay the same or go up 

[szkocjasid]

1 hour ago, PTW said:

Completely agree with that statement,if Howarth,worrall or Riss rode at no1 for whole season there average would go down by quite a bit imo,where as the other riders average would stay the same or go up 

I disagree with Howarth's average going down as he rode at number 5 for most if the season so had the difficult heat 13 to contend with. Can agree with R.Worall & Riss losing something off their ave as they spent most of the season in the easier number 3 spot.

[arnieg]

7 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

I disagree with Howarth's average going down as he rode at number 5 for most if the season so had the difficult heat 13 to contend with. Can agree with R.Worall & Riss losing something off their ave as they spent most of the season in the easier number 3 spot.

Strangely Ritchie Worrall averaged more (circa 9.8) riding at 1/5  than he did at no 3/4 (8.00).

Riss' split is more what I'd expect:

http://www.gbspeedway.com/2022/riderperf.php?mc1=x&mc2=a&mc3=av&mc4=x&rider=Erik Riss&league=B&comp=All&sort=date&club=Overall

[foreverblue]

7 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

I disagree with Howarth's average going down as he rode at number 5 for most if the season so had the difficult heat 13 to contend with. Can agree with R.Worall & Riss losing something off their ave as they spent most of the season in the easier number 3 spot.

In my opinion his form definitely dropped towards the end of the season for both Sheffield and Leicester, maybe his machinery wasn't working so well I don't know..

[GiveusaB]

12 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

In my opinion his form definitely dropped towards the end of the season for both Sheffield and Leicester, maybe his machinery wasn't working so well I don't know..

Or may be he was thinking about his average for 2023 ? 

[HGould]

11 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

In my opinion his form definitely dropped towards the end of the season for both Sheffield and Leicester, maybe his machinery wasn't working so well I don't know..

Maybe his wedding and constantly chopping and changing Fixtures and not knowing from one day to the other if he'd have to chose between wedding / racing had a lot to do with it!

He's also an out and out racer and possibly on very wet tracks at end of the season and the above just took the edge off him.

Riders are human beings after all not Robots.

[arnieg]

4 minutes ago, GiveusaB said:

Or may be he was thinking about his average for 2023 ? 

Unlikely. As GSA only includes regular season league matches the MOST RECENT fixture to contribute towards his average was on 24 July.

[foreverblue]

13 minutes ago, HGould said:

Maybe his wedding and constantly chopping and changing Fixtures and not knowing from one day to the other if he'd have to chose between wedding / racing had a lot to do with it!

He's also an out and out racer and possibly on very wet tracks at end of the season and the above just took the edge off him.

Riders are human beings after all not Robots.

Yes you may have a point, he certainly rode well earlier in the season, as good as I have seen him ride for years. He certainly rode his heart out for Sheffield in the playoffs as he always does but seemed to be lacking a bit of power 

[phillipsr]

Also want to say that by thinking that there not 'out and out number 1's' wasn't meant as  a criticism towards them id say its more my internal definition of what it is and I'm sure that's different others ideas of what it is.. 

For what its worth here's what i label as an out and out number 1 - Its a/the rider in real crunch heats that i always get that feeling that he is going to win, if that rider is against my team i just always feel like that rider is going to be the one who is going to be the one that in that ht 15 where the away team needs a 3-3 for a result that rider is almost nailed on to do that not as a one off but time after time... 

I personally never liked Craig Cook but thats what he used to be, Masters for me is that now, as i said King always seems to come big when needed... Just never seem to have a bad rider when it really matters.. 

[SPEEDY69]

16 minutes ago, phillipsr said:

Also want to say that by thinking that there not 'out and out number 1's' wasn't meant as  a criticism towards them id say its more my internal definition of what it is and I'm sure that's different others ideas of what it is.. 

For what its worth here's what i label as an out and out number 1 - Its a/the rider in real crunch heats that i always get that feeling that he is going to win, if that rider is against my team i just always feel like that rider is going to be the one who is going to be the one that in that ht 15 where the away team needs a 3-3 for a result that rider is almost nailed on to do that not as a one off but time after time... 

I personally never liked Craig Cook but thats what he used to be, Masters for me is that now, as i said King always seems to come big when needed... Just never seem to have a bad rider when it really matters.. 

Totally opposite for Ipswich if you're talking about Danny King - invariably went missing in the big heats.

[cinderfella]

8 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said:

Totally opposite for Ipswich if you're talking about Danny King - invariably went missing in the big heats.

Often wonder which riders careers were positively or negatively affected by them doubling up?

I feel Danny was one who may have been better sticking to one and being a SOLID No 1 at CL OR reliable h/l or s/s in the PL

 

[LisaColette]

6 minutes ago, cinderfella said:

Often wonder which riders careers were positively or negatively affected by them doubling up?

I feel Danny was one who may have been better sticking to one and being a SOLID No 1 at CL OR reliable h/l or s/s in the PL

 

Yes, but is that affordable for him though? Prob needs both leagues money wise.

[foreverblue]

18 minutes ago, cinderfella said:

Often wonder which riders careers were positively or negatively affected by them doubling up?

I feel Danny was one who may have been better sticking to one and being a SOLID No 1 at CL OR reliable h/l or s/s in the PL

 

Personally I have always liked Danny King and he always came good in vital races for Poole, I get that isn't always the case with Ipswich but he is a good rider who always gives his best. 

[SteveLyric2]

8 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

Personally I have always liked Danny King and he always came good in vital races for Poole, I get that isn't always the case with Ipswich but he is a good rider who always gives his best. 

And its not just what he does on track, its his positivity and experience in the pits.

[Fromafar]

53 minutes ago, cinderfella said:

Often wonder which riders careers were positively or negatively affected by them doubling up?

I feel Danny was one who may have been better sticking to one and being a SOLID No 1 at CL OR reliable h/l or s/s in the PL

 

Is it not just the case of staying safe and riding as much as you can for most.Earning money is what it is about for journeymen nowadays.

[foreverblue]

1 hour ago, Skidder1 said:

And its not just what he does on track, its his positivity and experience in the pits.

Yes true, we will miss him next season, nothing against Steve Worrall but I think we should have kept King. 

Edited December 12, 2022 by foreverblue