lewy Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 1 hour ago, torpointfanatic22 said: Not a shock by any account and a top rider, entertaining and never gives up. Really good signing! My only concern is what we do at the bottom end. With Barker an obvious signing it would make the total 28.68 for the top four, leaving just 11.32 for three riders. I fear we may end up too weak at the bottom end, lets see what's next. How many matches have you seen at the coliseum in the last couple of seasons? Or are you posting your opinions based on hearsay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 Why is Gary may saying howarth is an out and out number one? Based off one good season? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, Robinh88 said: Why is Gary may saying howarth is an out and out number one? Based off one good season? How many seasons do you have to base an opinion on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creekmoor Pirate Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Robinh88 said: Why is Gary may saying howarth is an out and out number one? Based off one good season? Howarth been a top consistent rider for many season . That will do for me . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 Has he ever even rode at number 1 for more than a month or two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, Robinh88 said: Why is Gary may saying howarth is an out and out number one? Based off one good season? He had quite a few good seasons with Sheffield as well, won the pairs twice 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 (edited) On 12/9/2022 at 9:01 PM, lewy said: How many matches have you seen at the coliseum in the last couple of seasons? Or are you posting your opinions based on hearsay? Is that really a relevant question to the statement I made about being potentially too weak at the bottom end? It's not is it! Stop trying to pick a fight and create needle over nothing. Edited December 11, 2022 by torpointfanatic22 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTW Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, Robinh88 said: Why is Gary may saying howarth is an out and out number one? Based off one good season? I was surprised he said that don’t think he’s ever been at no1 for any substantial period for me he’s a 2nd heat leader in this league the no1 riders are Masters,Harris,Lawson not Howarth….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doners123 Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, PTW said: I was surprised he said that don’t think he’s ever been at no1 for any substantial period for me he’s a 2nd heat leader in this league the no1 riders are Masters,Harris,Lawson not Howarth….. When did Lawson ride at number 1 last year … ?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTW Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Doners123 said: When did Lawson ride at number 1 last year … ?! For kings Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 Based on the final rolling averages These riders finish above Kyle's average Chris Harris Sam Masters Josh Pickering Nick Morris Ryan Douglas Based on 9 teams in the league, he maybe at this moment is classed as an out and out number. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 41 minutes ago, lewy said: How many matches have you seen at the coliseum in the last couple of seasons? Or are you posting your opinions based on hearsay? Have you quoted the wrong post there? Your response doesn't seem to have anything to do with the post you are replying to..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Bagpuss said: Have you quoted the wrong post there? Your response doesn't seem to have anything to do with the post you are replying to..... It appears so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 56 minutes ago, Robinh88 said: Why is Gary may saying howarth is an out and out number one? Based off one good season? I think he's comparing with last 2 seasons. Crump and Bjarne in 21 had big averages, Crump tarnished his reputation and from all accounts bled the Club dry whilst Bjaerne was a model professional but past his best. In 22 they had erm Kennett, say no more,MPT was unlucky, Hans was a shadow of his past self, Barker did well to a point. I'm sure Gary will think that in Howarth and Worrall they have 2 better riders than those named in 21 and 22 seasons respectively and specifically. As for their reserves, most teams will have a 2 pointer, those who have a 3 and 4 pointer won't have such a strong top 5 as Plymouth look likely to have. Swings and roundabouts. Their key men will be Gilkes and who joins him as a second string. If Barker is the other heat leader they could have an extremely strong top 5. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, HGould said: I think he's comparing with last 2 seasons. Crump and Bjarne in 21 had big averages, Crump tarnished his reputation and from all accounts bled the Club dry whilst Bjaerne was a model professional but past his best. In 22 they had erm Kennett, say no more,MPT was unlucky, Hans was a shadow of his past self, Barker did well to a point. I'm sure Gary will think that in Howarth and Worrall they have 2 better riders than those named in 21 and 22 seasons respectively and specifically. As for their reserves, most teams will have a 2 pointer, those who have a 3 and 4 pointer won't have such a strong top 5 as Plymouth look likely to have. Swings and roundabouts. Their key men will be Gilkes and who joins him as a second string. If Barker is the other heat leader they could have an extremely strong top 5. Barker did very well considering he's carrying a stone or two extra. Good to see him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BenMoran Posted December 9, 2022 Report Share Posted December 9, 2022 Kyle will do a good job at number 1, he’ll get double figures home and away on a regular basis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, PTW said: I was surprised he said that don’t think he’s ever been at no1 for any substantial period for me he’s a 2nd heat leader in this league the no1 riders are Masters,Harris,Lawson not Howarth….. As there's 9 teams on the league, the top 9 riders can rightly be described as number ones. Using the 2022 aves, not just the last 10 matches (rolling aves) Howarth is the 5th best rider in the league. So I think it's fair to call him "an out & out number one" Masters (10.03) Morris (9.33) Douglas (9.24) Harris (9.07) Howarth (8.87) Cook (8.84) R.Worrall (8.74) Pickering (8.67) Lawson (8.48) Edited December 10, 2022 by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, torpointfanatic22 said: Not a shock by any account and a top rider, entertaining and never gives up. Really good signing! My only concern is what we do at the bottom end. With Barker an obvious signing it would make the total 28.68 for the top four, leaving just 11.32 for three riders. I fear we may end up too weak at the bottom end, lets see what's next. Plymouth look like they'll be building with 3 strong heat leaders, but still could be stronger than Berwick & Oxford at reserve. Edited December 10, 2022 by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 10 hours ago, Doners123 said: When did Lawson ride at number 1 last year … ?! When he guested for Plymouth? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 What does "out and out" actually mean? Sounds like a bulls**t expression, used by people but with no clear meaning. A rider's either a number one or not. Defined by his CMA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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