King's Lynn v Belle Vue (SGBPB)

[B.V 72]

38 minutes ago, tellboy said:

No,it's go to be a 0-0 surely so all riders reduce their averages for next season.

Lawson should definitely think about it.Can't see anyone wanting him on a 7.91 average next season.I don't believe riders do average reduction over the season,but on this occasion if i was Lawson i would think about it.It is easy for him to lose about a point off his average with it only being over the last 10 matches.If he scores 0 that will replace a 16 he scored against Wolves.

I would be thinking take a hit on one pay packet to make sure i get a further 25 pay packets next season.

Ouch beat me to it hypocrite bang the anti cheat drum and then suggest a rider cheats to drop his average.

[tellboy]

Was expecting those responses thank you very much.But what is good for the goose is good for the gander isn't it.Fairs fair surely everyone can bend the rules not just the chosen few.Nothing wrong with a few E/Fs is there then you can't be classed as not attempting to race.Anyway most riders can make it look like they are racing and still finish last.

[ouch]

32 minutes ago, tellboy said:

Was expecting those responses thank you very much.But what is good for the goose is good for the gander isn't it.Fairs fair surely everyone can bend the rules not just the chosen few.Nothing wrong with a few E/Fs is there then you can't be classed as not attempting to race.Anyway most riders can make it look like they are racing and still finish last.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Call out the cheats loud and proud, I do but it does me much good on here. What’s the point in Belle Vue following the rules all the time if the rest of you flout them to your own advantage?

[B.V 72]

49 minutes ago, tellboy said:

Was expecting those responses thank you very much.But what is good for the goose is good for the gander isn't it.Fairs fair surely everyone can bend the rules not just the chosen few.Nothing wrong with a few E/Fs is there then you can't be classed as not attempting to race.Anyway most riders can make it look like they are racing and still finish last.

The difference is Belle vue were proved right and the ruling body confirmed this by allowing Lambert to sign for Belle vue.

But with you, you suggest a rider should cheat to drops his average in your first post then confirm that you think its ok that he should cheat in your second post. With all the evidence provided no lawyer in the land could prove you inocent so it is you sir who is the cheat.

[tellboy]

7 minutes ago, B.V 72 said:

The difference is Belle vue were proved right and the ruling body confirmed this by allowing Lambert to sign for Belle vue.

But with you, you suggest a rider should cheat to drops his average in your first post then confirm that you think its ok that he should cheat in your second post. With all the evidence provided no lawyer in the land could prove you inocent so it is you sir who is the cheat.

Could a lawyer prove he didn't have E/Fs.

You know the rule book has been bent several times this season.

[B.V 72]

9 minutes ago, tellboy said:

Could a lawyer prove he didn't have E/Fs.

You know the rule book has been bent several times this season.

Nothing said about the rider it is you who is the cheat with 2 posts to prove it.

[Lefty]

I'm shocked and devestated at the thought of Speedway operating on the moral low ground regarding cynical manipulation of riders averages.

It's a good job that the 'News Of The World' has ceased publication otherwise we could be heading for the gutter! 

[Bald Bloke]

1 hour ago, tellboy said:

Was expecting those responses thank you very much.But what is good for the goose is good for the gander isn't it.Fairs fair surely everyone can bend the rules not just the chosen few.Nothing wrong with a few E/Fs is there then you can't be classed as not attempting to race.Anyway most riders can make it look like they are racing and still finish last.

I'm starting to think this way as well.  Wolves came to the AFA last month and got smacked up 63-27 unexpectedly. I don't know about their other Sept results, but they dropped 3.47 off of their team average in Sept.40.66 down to 37.19. Lynns went up from 37.42 to 39.14. Second only to BV. I'm not saying Wolves broke any rules, they just had a shocker. It could easily happen to Lynn in the BV meeting

Edited October 5, 2022 by Bald Bloke

[arnieg]

2 hours ago, B.V 72 said:

The difference is Belle vue were proved right and the ruling body confirmed this by allowing Lambert to sign for Belle vue.

But with you, you suggest a rider should cheat to drops his average in your first post then confirm that you think its ok that he should cheat in your second post. With all the evidence provided no lawyer in the land could prove you inocent so it is you sir who is the cheat.

Belle Vue have not been proved right. All that happened is that they hired a lawyer to run rings round the BSPA (and not I should imagine a difficult task) and they backed down.

[B.V 72]

24 minutes ago, arnieg said:

Belle Vue have not been proved right. All that happened is that they hired a lawyer to run rings round the BSPA (and not I should imagine a difficult task) and they backed down.

In your opinion. Its what a lot of fans want an independent opinion well we got one.

[Daniel Smith]

Belle Vue's likely team. 

1. C.Harris

2. T.Brennan

3. S.Nicholls

4. C.Wright

5. S.Lambert

6. C.Mountain

7. C.Bailey

[ouch]

14 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said:

Belle Vue's likely team. 

1. C.Harris

2. T.Brennan

3. S.Nicholls

4. C.Wright

5. S.Lambert

6. C.Mountain

7. C.Bailey

BSF wet dream team. They love guests and hate signed up team members. Not for me I’m afraid but each to their own. 

[arnieg]

1 hour ago, B.V 72 said:

In your opinion. Its what a lot of fans want an independent opinion well we got one.

A lawyer hired by Belle Vue is not an independent opinion. I'm pretty sure the BSPL could hire a lawyer and get a counterbalancing opinion.

 

Without going to court what Belle Vue are waving about remains just an opinion. Unless there is a judgement in a court of law (and I have seen no suggestion that there is) the legal position remains unresolved.

 

You are the one relying on opinion, and that is a fact.

[arnieg]

26 minutes ago, ouch said:

BSF wet dream team. They love guests and hate signed up team members. Not for me I’m afraid but each to their own. 

All the evidence is that BSF opinion on guests ranges from 'necessary evil' to outright opposition. I can see no love for them.

[B.V 72]

33 minutes ago, arnieg said:

A lawyer hired by Belle Vue is not an independent opinion. I'm pretty sure the BSPL could hire a lawyer and get a counterbalancing opinion.

 

Without going to court what Belle Vue are waving about remains just an opinion. Unless there is a judgement in a court of law (and I have seen no suggestion that there is) the legal position remains unresolved.

 

You are the one relying on opinion, and that is a fact.

Sorry you did not get my independent quip.              Lawyers opinion, your opinion, my opinion everyone else's opinion the only fact i can see is that some ones opinion that counts says   Robert Lambert rides for Belle vue in the play offs.

[arnieg]

49 minutes ago, B.V 72 said:

Sorry you did not get my independent quip.              Lawyers opinion, your opinion, my opinion everyone else's opinion the only fact i can see is that some ones opinion that counts says   Robert Lambert rides for Belle vue in the play offs.

The decision was presumably made by the  BSPL to do a reverse ferret in the face of the threat of (potentially expensive) legal action. 

[Mimmo]

2 hours ago, ouch said:

BSF wet dream team. They love guests and hate signed up team members. Not for me I’m afraid but each to their own. 

Whatever team Belle Vue put out, if in fact they do, the King's Lynn riders plus any fully fledged 'Aces' deserve to have their wage packet. Why should they be out of pocket because the meeting no longer carries any importance. 

[Racin Jason 72]

The problem was caused by the promoters themselves by having two team building rules that contradicted each other 

when Bluster became chairman he was going to rip up the rule book and simplify it but of course that didn’t happen.  The rules need to be written by a professional with a legal background so the rules are concise and without loopholes

in theory if zagar sprains his wrist that could be deemed as a season ending injury as we only have three weeks remaining.  So in theory Belle vue could sign zsmarslik to replace him on a 8pt average. 

ii want to make it clear Belle vue have done nothing wrong at all. The rules are at fault as they are Ill thought out and applied at will. 
we desperately need a independent ruling body to run our sport before they kill it off. 

[ouch]

1 hour ago, arnieg said:

The decision was presumably made by the  BSPL to do a reverse ferret in the face of the threat of (potentially expensive) legal action. 

So in your world all it takes is a lawyer to get what you want, the rules mean nothing?

If that’s the case there’s nothing to stop an NDL side signing Zmarzlik. I’m not buying it. 
 

In the real world it’s a crying shame we need a lawyer to see the rules implemented correctly. In a sport that governs itself and is rife with petty jealousies and self interest that I’m afraid is what it takes. BSPL/BSF should be ashamed of themselves. 

[ouch]

55 minutes ago, Racin Jason 72 said:

The problem was caused by the promoters themselves by having two team building rules that contradicted each other 

when Bluster became chairman he was going to rip up the rule book and simplify it but of course that didn’t happen.  The rules need to be written by a professional with a legal background so the rules are concise and without loopholes

in theory if zagar sprains his wrist that could be deemed as a season ending injury as we only have three weeks remaining.  So in theory Belle vue could sign zsmarslik to replace him on a 8pt average. 

ii want to make it clear Belle vue have done nothing wrong at all. The rules are at fault as they are Ill thought out and applied at will. 
we desperately need a independent ruling body to run our sport before they kill it off. 

The words are not season ending its long term so a sprain wouldn’t cut it. The multiple injuries Max suffered with are very long term. Get well soon Max.