IainB Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Tracy Bird said: I was told a couple of days after the meeting by a rider who was at Birmingham last weds that morris refused to take a second test. Did Ben Barker refuse a 2nd test last season? If so he probably thinks an 8 month ban served through the close season is better than having the book thrown at him for 2 negatives? Edited July 18, 2023 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloom89 Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 2 hours ago, DiveBomb said: I've heard every rumour under the sun. It was hot topic in the stands last night and I still don't have a solid answer, but from what I heard the most last night is that he was using cannabis oil to treat injuries. It tested positive of course. I also heard his urine sample was full of cold water but again only heard it from one person. Still don't know if that's what happened only nick Morris will know the answer. I imagine he's going through alot of mental struggles right now as I know speedway is his life and income. If speedway is his only income then you’d think he’d be extra careful not to jeopardize his career, if he has been taking something he shouldn’t (which is all speculation and we may never fully find out the truth) and he knew he might fail said test if he got asked to do one surely he would’ve been better off saying he was ill miss 7 days racing than potentially throw your whole career away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 Just now, bloom89 said: If speedway is his only income then you’d think he’d be extra careful not to jeopardize his career, if he has been taking something he shouldn’t (which is all speculation and we may never fully find out the truth) and he knew he might fail said test if he got asked to do one surely he would’ve been better off saying he was ill miss 7 days racing than potentially throw your whole career away. That's what I was thinking also. I just keep thinking why nick why nick? Must have panicked or something Im not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloom89 Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 14 minutes ago, DiveBomb said: That's what I was thinking also. I just keep thinking why nick why nick? Must have panicked or something Im not sure. I guess we’ll never know. Hopefully it’s just a case of Ben Barker and he’s just been overloading on painkillers to recover from injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Teromaafan Posted July 18, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 20 minutes ago, bloom89 said: I guess we’ll never know. Hopefully it’s just a case of Ben Barker and he’s just been overloading on painkillers to recover from injuries. Morris refused to comply with the test requirement. At that instant he took the matter into his own hands so I don’t see why other parties should be wasting their time investigating this further to assess whether the punishment should extend beyond the mandatory 30 day ban. Random testing is part and parcel of professional sport (even speedway falls into that category) and if you’re dumb enough to refuse a test it’s an admission that you have something to hide. I don’t see why the situation needs to be more complex than that. Serve him with the maximum ban/fine and move on. 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrow Boy 2 Posted July 19, 2023 Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 On Monday Eurosport's Premier League Table had Leicester as having lost 3 times this season. Surely this should have been 2. Presume they regarded the home draw against Belle Vue who won the Super Heat as a loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionsFan Posted July 19, 2023 Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 13 hours ago, Teromaafan said: Morris refused to comply with the test requirement. At that instant he took the matter into his own hands so I don’t see why other parties should be wasting their time investigating this further to assess whether the punishment should extend beyond the mandatory 30 day ban. Random testing is part and parcel of professional sport (even speedway falls into that category) and if you’re dumb enough to refuse a test it’s an admission that you have something to hide. I don’t see why the situation needs to be more complex than that. Serve him with the maximum ban/fine and move on. I know the hearing is not a court of law but Morris (or his solicitor) is entitled to put his side of the story before any decision is made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullmax Posted July 19, 2023 Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 3 hours ago, Barrow Boy 2 said: On Monday Eurosport's Premier League Table had Leicester as having lost 3 times this season. Surely this should have been 2. Presume they regarded the home draw against Belle Vue who won the Super Heat as a loss. Should always be 2 points for a home win and a point for a draw. A simple table which is always easy to read and understand. Peterborough manage against the odds to get a point at Wolverhampton and deservedly so and somehow end up losing the meeting! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted July 19, 2023 Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 21 hours ago, Tracy Bird said: I was told a couple of days after the meeting by a rider who was at Birmingham last weds that morris refused to take a second test. On a general point re testing to WADA standards & the presumption that Nick was asked to provide a urine test. Under such situations the person is asked to provide one sample whist being supervised. He/she is then asked to divide the specimen into two containers labelled A&B. he/she then closes and secures the containers before giving them to the supervising person and completes the appropriate paperwork. There is no "second" sample requested. The samples are then sent away to a laboratory - no testing is carried out on site. To speculate. If a person has drank a lot of water the urine can become "too dilute" to be regarded as acceptable (this bit is true). The supervisor may recognise this fact (speculation) and request a second test, but I am not certain if this then supersedes the first test (I myself have only had to provide first test samples) I am not even sure if it is possible for the supervisor to actually recognise too diluted urine hence the speculation. Alternatively, NM may have not produced enough urine (us blokes know what its like when somebody is looking over your shoulder) and was asked to provide more to reach the required volume - it is quite a bit. So what remains to be established is why was NM asked to provide a second sample - The people who do the collecting know what they are doing so it would be difficult to understand why such a request was made unless there was legitimate grounds for doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurRudge Posted July 20, 2023 Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 So it sounds like he is guilty as charged you only dodge testing if you know you have done something wrong so obviously he has lumped in his pants over it, needs the maximum penalty thrown at him also if traces of foul play were found in first test then he deserves everything he gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted July 20, 2023 Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 It's funny how people backing the move to the premiership were saying ' oh it's better than beating everyone week n week out easily ' . Guess what? We're doing that again ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teromaafan Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/20/2023 at 4:37 PM, DiveBomb said: It's funny how people backing the move to the premiership were saying ' oh it's better than beating everyone week n week out easily ' . Guess what? We're doing that again ! I first got into the sport about 1974 and the last 2 or 3 years are the best I can remember for the Lions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionsFan Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 On 7/20/2023 at 1:34 PM, ArthurRudge said: So it sounds like he is guilty as charged you only dodge testing if you know you have done something wrong so obviously he has lumped in his pants over it, needs the maximum penalty thrown at him also if traces of foul play were found in first test then he deserves everything he gets. In my view he should be allowed to put his side of the story before people rush to judgement. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted July 26, 2023 Report Share Posted July 26, 2023 23 hours ago, LionsFan said: In my view he should be allowed to put his side of the story before people rush to judgement. Well he's had plenty of time to conjure up some 'bull-sh#t' excuse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionsFan Posted July 26, 2023 Report Share Posted July 26, 2023 20 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: Well he's had plenty of time to conjure up some 'bull-sh#t' excuse! It's all rumour and speculation at the moment, I don't know if any posters on this forum are aware of the facts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justathought Posted July 26, 2023 Report Share Posted July 26, 2023 1 hour ago, LionsFan said: It's all rumour and speculation at the moment, I don't know if any posters on this forum are aware of the facts. This is Speedway, you should know that the vast majority of posters just make things up, or know someone who knows a certain person's grandma, so it must be true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted July 26, 2023 Report Share Posted July 26, 2023 2 hours ago, LionsFan said: It's all rumour and speculation at the moment, I don't know if any posters on this forum are aware of the facts. The fact is...he's banned from riding.....that doesn't happen unless you're guilty of a misdemeanour! In the history of the sport, has there been any rider that's received a ban and then had it over turned due to proving their innocence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 26, 2023 Report Share Posted July 26, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: The fact is...he's banned from riding.....that doesn't happen unless you're guilty of a misdemeanour! In the history of the sport, has there been any rider that's received a ban and then had it over turned due to proving their innocence? Sam Ermolenko apparently according to the Speedway Tavern podcast he missed a drug test at a test match at Hackney back around 1987 and was suspended until it was overturned on appeal Only in Speedway Edited July 26, 2023 by iainb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundTheBoards Posted July 26, 2023 Report Share Posted July 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, iainb said: Sam Ermolenko apparently according to the Speedway Tavern podcast he missed a drug test at a test match at Hackney back around 1987 and was suspended until it was overturned on appeal Only in Speedway Things were very different back in 1987 and there was no real drug testing system in speedway. Nowadays it's a very rigid procedure done to WADA specifications by an external professional company. The worst thing you can do is refuse to comply with the test. He's looking at a minimum 2 year ban. He'd have been better taking the test and failing it. Then he could at least hire a lawyer and try to get out on a technicality with a cock and bull story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 26, 2023 Report Share Posted July 26, 2023 1 minute ago, RoundTheBoards said: Things were very different back in 1987 and there was no real drug testing system in speedway. Nowadays it's a very rigid procedure done to WADA specifications by an external professional company. The worst thing you can do is refuse to comply with the test. He's looking at a minimum 2 year ban. He'd have been better taking the test and failing it. Then he could at least hire a lawyer and try to get out on a technicality with a cock and bull story. Apparently Sam "forgot" to take the test before he left the stadium... but offered to take one the next morning after he'd remembered 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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