FishersGate Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, iainb said: Hope I'm proven wrong but Allen is hardly one for the future and only seems to have gone backwards in the last few years and nearly didn't come back one year, so you have to question his commitment/ambition I don't know if something has gone on behind the scenes but Mountain has hardly figured for Leicester since being signed in 2018 I think if you look at Allen Vs Mountain. Allen clearly is a more established rider considering they are only year apart. I think if Stewart can get Allen kicking again he could be weapon at reserve . He scored 11 when he was fit last time out at Leicester. I feel for mountain as he's done nothing wrong, but I'm going to trust Stewart with one.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 Just now, szkocjasid said: Allen is currently better than Mountain, but if have used Mountain on a lower ave to have a stronger top 5! Mountains average is 4.40 if I'm correct..Allen's has dropped to 4.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted December 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 I can not believe they picked Allen over mountain. Absolute shocker that. sums up British speedway when a Brit improves but means they are penalised 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted December 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, FishersGate said: Mountains average is 4.40 if I'm correct..Allen's has dropped to 4.. -25% on his average so it’s below 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Allen is currently better than Mountain, but if have used Mountain on a lower ave to have a stronger top 5! 1 minute ago, FishersGate said: Mountains average is 4.40 if I'm correct..Allen's has dropped to 4.. With the 25% reduction, Mountain starts on a 3.38 ave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 Just now, szkocjasid said: With the 25% reduction, Mountain starts on a 3.38 ave Hasn't that been scrapped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 Just now, PhilTheAce said: I can not believe they picked Allen over mountain. Absolute shocker that. sums up British speedway when a Brit improves but means they are penalised You can't actually blame the rules this time, giving Mountain & Hume 25% off their aves helps them get a club now they are no longer rising stars. It's the clubs who are at fault in this instance for not "backing the Brits" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Allen is currently better than Mountain, but if have used Mountain on a lower ave to have a stronger top 5! Personally I think Mountain is on the way up and Allen is on the way down . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: With the 25% reduction, Mountain starts on a 3.38 ave 1 minute ago, FishersGate said: Hasn't that been scrapped? Nope - otherwise Belle Vue's team wouldn't fit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, szkocjasid said: You can't actually blame the rules this time, giving Mountain & Hume 25% off their aves helps them get a club now they are no longer rising stars. It's the clubs who are at fault in this instance for not "backing the Brits" I would have both , they are both well worth their current averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 Just now, foreverblue said: Personally I think Mountain is on the way up and Allen is on the way down . I agree with that, but still rate Allen above Mountain just now. That said I'd take Cook & Mountain over Sedgmen & Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: You can't actually blame the rules this time, giving Mountain & Hume 25% off their aves helps them get a club now they are no longer rising stars. It's the clubs who are at fault in this instance for not "backing the Brits" Just now, foreverblue said: I would have both , they are both well worth their current averages. I wouldn't have them both, as it would mean one having to ride in the top 5! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 Just now, szkocjasid said: I agree with that, but still rate Allen above Mountain just now. That said I'd take Cook & Mountain over Sedgmen & Allen. I wouldn't take Craig Cook on any average. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, szkocjasid said: I wouldn't have them both, as it would mean one having to ride in the top 5! Well no but I would certainly have Hume at Leicester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 Anyone think Kye Thomson would have been a better choice than Allen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 Just now, szkocjasid said: Anyone think Kye Thomson would have been a better choice than Allen? No, I don't he is good enough for the PL at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan555 Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 I understand that Mountain has had a good few seasons and do feel he deserves a place somewhere in the prem however I think people are forgetting Jake Allen’s quality. Not long ago he was averaging around 8 in the championship and after a tough last year still averages 6.30 and considering his prem average has been above 5 for a few years to catch him on a 4 points average could well be a steal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teromaafan Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 There are some valid arguments on this thread for retaining Connor Mountain. Despite what those involved in the running of the sport might claim though, there is no investment in the future, it’s only about doing the best you can for your club for the upcoming season. Short sighted maybe, but when tracks are closing faster than new ones appearing it’s understandable. It’s not even about a full season because clubs will have tapped up riders who haven’t currently got a British commitment, ready for when the domestic revolving door starts from May onwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 Choosing Allen is going to be a key decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderman1 Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 42 minutes ago, Ryan555 said: I understand that Mountain has had a good few seasons and do feel he deserves a place somewhere in the prem however I think people are forgetting Jake Allen’s quality. Not long ago he was averaging around 8 in the championship and after a tough last year still averages 6.30 and considering his prem average has been above 5 for a few years to catch him on a 4 points average could well be a steal Spot on , great signing and very good competitive team , Allen won’t be in reserve for long ,expect a good year in 23, fricke great number 1, top heat leaders , no weak links in that line up 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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