Steve Shovlar Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 If Lynn think they can walk up to Ben Cook tonight in the hope,of talkingnhim into signing for them for next season, they are probably 3-4 months too late. And I should imagine he is getting offers from Poland (League one) as well. Pretty sure he will start next season as Poole’s third heat leader. Mid way through this season something just clicked and from following the rider around in front in the same line, he suddenly got very good at gating and his passing ability kept forward. Tonight was a culmination of his development. One race to get to know the track, then pow! Zack isn’t far behind him and is younger. Have a good feeling that these two are the next generation of young Aussies breaking through. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) Well done Poole... Being the only team out of the two to ride at their home track in a two legged final, with Kings Lynn's No1 riding for you, (at Kings Lynn), must have put you at a huge disadvantage, but you came through magnificently.. Yet another trophy for the very successful outfit from the South Coast... That's trophy153 in the past decade isnt it? Be great to see you in the Premiership next season after your deserved promotion... Hang On. Apologies... Congratulations to Poole on your 85th title, but even greater congratulations to the runners up, Leicseter, on your "promotion" to the Premiership.. All very confusing this... Lets hope next season the Leicester area has lots of warm dry summer evenings, (unlike obviously it suffered this year if appears), meaning they can complete their home fixtures, (and this time at their own track)... Seriously though, with a crowd mentioned at circa 600 (for the "flagship final" in the 2nd tier), it was probably a very fitting "epitaph" to another season of Speedway in the UK.. You only had to see the lack of anger from Leicester's fans to the loss of home advantage in the final, which meant basically fighting with one broken arm, and the other tied behind your back, given how fundamental to a result home track advantage is in Speedway, to see the abject "indifference" that so many have for the actual competitions themselves and the results they deliver... Which is sad, but down to nothing more than the way the sport is ran in the UK unfortunately... With that lack of "emotional involvement" always holding the sport back if it wants to continue in a "Team Concept"... (Imagjne in Poland the reaction from fans if something similar happened?) Congratulations to Poole, who do get a fair amount of stick, but you cannot knock the professionalism and success of the business they run, and their fans on here are always good value (and provide plenty of ammo for the rest to fire back at them).. Let's hope the lessons learned will be heeded, but... That does seem to be the "mantra" at the end of most seasons sadly doesnt it? Hopefully next season, the least that happens, is that the play off finals get held at the actual tracks of the finalists and all the other competitions ran actually get completed... Surely not too much to ask, and expect, that is it? Goodbye 2022... Roll on 2023... A bright new dawn maybe? Let's hope so... It would be great to finally see such an incredibly exciting spectacle get the infrastructure around it, that it so deserves, to make it more popular and look more professional... Edited November 5, 2022 by mikebv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 45 minutes ago, mikebv said: Well done Poole... Being the only team out of the two to ride at their home track in a two legged final, with Kings Lynn's No1 riding for you, (at Kings Lynn), must have put you at a huge disadvantage, but you came through magnificently.. Yet another trophy for the very successful outfit from the South Coast... That's trophy153 in the past decade isnt it? Be great to see you in the Premiership next season after your deserved promotion... Hang On. Apologies... Congratulations to Poole on your 85th title, but even greater congratulations to the runners up, Leicseter, on your "promotion" to the Premiership.. All very confusing this... Lets hope next season the Leicester area has lots of warm dry summer evenings, (unlike obviously it suffered this year if appears), meaning they can complete their home fixtures, (and this time at their own track)... Seriously though, with a crowd mentioned at circa 600 (for the "flagship final" in the 2nd tier), it was probably a very fitting "epitaph" to another season of Speedway in the UK.. You only had to see the lack of anger from Leicester's fans to the loss of home advantage in the final, which meant basically fighting with one broken arm, and the other tied behind your back, given how fundamental to a result home track advantage is in Speedway, to see the abject "indifference" that so many have for the actual competitions themselves and the results they deliver... Which is sad, but down to nothing more than the way the sport is ran in the UK unfortunately... With that lack of "emotional involvement" always holding the sport back if it wants to continue in a "Team Concept"... (Imagjne in Poland the reaction from fans if something similar happened?) Congratulations to Poole, who do get a fair amount of stick, but you cannot knock the professionalism and success of the business they run, and their fans on here are always good value (and provide plenty of ammo for the rest to fire back at them).. Let's hope the lessons learned will be heeded, but... That does seem to be the "mantra" at the end of most seasons sadly doesnt it? Hopefully next season, the least that happens, is that the play off finals get held at the actual tracks of the finalists and all the other competitions ran actually get completed... Surely not too much to ask, and expect, that is it? Goodbye 2022... Roll on 2023... A bright new dawn maybe? Let's hope so... It would be great to finally see such an incredibly exciting spectacle get the infrastructure around it, that it so deserves, to make it more popular and look more professional... The Leicester fans were quiet, maybe it was just those who had travelled (odd), it was as though they had resigned themselves to losing. I've noticed in the past how sporting they are, they seem to just be happy to be racing ...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Trees said: I like Richard Lawson, I like Danny King, I like Stevie Worrall, the Cook boys are good, pretty impressed by their racing at Lynn but Poole nah ...... our track set up did Leicester and their particular riders no favours whatsoever! Hard to see what track set up would have helped Leicester. Poole were simply better. And as for Lawson's home track knowledge benefitting the Pirates, the same could be said of Rich Worrall [2022] and Connor Mountain [2021] on the Lions side. Edited November 5, 2022 by arnieg 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 3 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: I think you have got carried away Trees You'll not understand m8! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 23 minutes ago, arnieg said: Hard to see what track set up would have helped Leicester. Poole were simply better. And as for Lawson's home track knowledge benefitting the Pirates, the same could be said of Rich Worrall [2022] and Connor Mountain [2021] on the Lions side. Not quite the same m8! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) I think the stuffing was knocked out of Leicester after being 10 points up down at Poole and still losing by 8 .. gonna hit the confidence. impressed with Poole winning league and cup with the same 7 riders that started the season, no mean feat these days Edited November 5, 2022 by stevehone 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 5 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: If Lynn think they can walk up to Ben Cook tonight in the hope,of talkingnhim into signing for them for next season, they are probably 3-4 months too late. And I should imagine he is getting offers from Poland (League one) as well. I expect you are right and I wouldn't be surprised if Lynn have their team sorted anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 Now I've had a sleep and time to think clearly I can post my thoughts. First of, congratulations to the Poole Pirates. The won the play offs fair n square. What a fantastic team and were fancied by myself to win it at the start of the season. As a lion I feel gutted I couldn't see us at home for the final. It would have been a lot closer and probably a last heat decider if it was at Leicester. Il miss the mini rivalry Leicester and Poole have had the last two seasons. Poole come out as winners but that's in there DNA and for leicester we haven't quite got that mentality yet. Again, congrats to Poole enjoy your victory even though it's covered with controversy it's still a trophy. Il miss the championship and still don't want to move up. Although now we wont have Poole spoiling our chances at glory. My first year on the forum and enjoyed it ! Thanks all. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 2 hours ago, arnieg said: Hard to see what track set up would have helped Leicester. Poole were simply better. And as for Lawson's home track knowledge benefitting the Pirates, the same could be said of Rich Worrall [2022] and Connor Mountain [2021] on the Lions side. As well as their practice session!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 Whilst the whole lead up and indeed the CL season from early September onwards has descended in to a complete and utter farce you can only congratulate Poole on an outstanding season and commiserate with Leicester (as you have to with any team that wins a League but then fails to win a Play Off). The fact is, and it seems blatantly obvious, is that the Jubillee / Summer Cup totally destroyed what could have been an excellent League season, which was gaining momentum and excitement in to the driest / hottest July in years and was the n inexplicably halted for 3-4 weeks by a frankly banal / pointless hughe mistake of a "fixture filler" at a time when Fixtures did not need filling. As a "Spring "(as we saw with the Shield in 2019) or "Autumn" (as an option for those who wish to enter) regional and then one off Final based Competion it may work but PLEASE never again interrupt a League season in such a stupid way! It'll be interesting to see which Teams actually line up for 2023 with what is rumoured to be a 40 point limit. Great that Edinburgh are back in, good luck to Leicester on moving up, that releases 7 good riders, a few Clubs will have to wheel and deal to get under new limit and hopefully a more balanced league and no one else drops out! The Sport at Board / MC level (call it what you want its a Management Committee masquerading as a Board and therein I thiink lies a massive ICEBURG) needs radical members change. The issue since the BSPL became "L" and no longer "A" is that it is now run by a Board of Directors legally and not a management committee, (legally its a massive difference in terms of roles and responsibilities) and the danger is that it restricts those who may have in the past wanted to sit at the top table and input new ideas but who aren't prepared to take the financial responsibilities that now entails. Hopefully we can have a 9 Team CL in 2023 (at least 9 teams) with a League starting in April, finishing in August and Play Offs done and dusted by early September with either a Spring or Autumn regional Competition with a one off final at Belle Vue with winners of "North / Midland / South" that does not impede with the League programme. It would also be nice to schedule in a set CL Riders Championship, a set CL Pairs and a set CL 4's as one offs like in the past with Peterborough staging the 4's as a neutral venue and the others also sensibly shared out. Have a happy, safe winter everyone 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 4 hours ago, Trees said: The Leicester fans were quiet, maybe it was just those who had travelled (odd), it was as though they had resigned themselves to losing. I've noticed in the past how sporting they are, they seem to just be happy to be racing ...... After 25 years of closure the majority of the fans are just happy to be back! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 2 hours ago, stevehone said: I think the stuffing was knocked out of Leicester after being 10 points up down at Poole and still losing by 8 .. gonna hit the confidence. impressed with Poole winning league and cup with the same 7 riders that started the season, no mean feat these days Quite likely the case stevehone, and the final straw was losing home track advantage . Poole 2022 have ridden their good fortune with few injuries and seemingly racing sides with depleted line ups Good luck Poole keep that trophy safe - doubt many people will ever see it agail until next November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 19 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: As well as their practice session!! I'm not sure a practice session can be compared to hundreds or thousands of laps round a teams own track but it is what it is and once Poole got dialled in Leicester came up a long way short. The fact that Poole's top three dropped one point to the opposition after heat three says it all. Even though it was cold it was an enjoyable night's racing and good to catch up with a few people before the winter. Wish the track could be like that more often, just too grippy in the summer months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovalman Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) Don't really follow speedway so much since Windon folded, but well done to champions Belle Vue and Poole, coincidence both finished 3rd. but thems the rules. Leicester step up a league. Not possible but should be one big league, Oxford and Poole should be in top div. The sport will always survive in one form or other I suppose. It's just run in a strange way. Can't beat the spectacle of two riders passing and re-passing, can't understand why so few peeps attend now compared to 50 years ago. A dying sport like greyhounds perhaps. Good luck for 2023. Edited November 5, 2022 by auntie doris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 1 hour ago, FishersGate said: After 25 years of closure the majority of the fans are just happy to be back! True, and add a 69 season record without a single league title - there have never been great expectations of victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 6 hours ago, mikebv said: Well done Poole... Being the only team out of the two to ride at their home track in a two legged final, with Kings Lynn's No1 riding for you, (at Kings Lynn), must have put you at a huge disadvantage, but you came through magnificently.. Yet another trophy for the very successful outfit from the South Coast... That's trophy153 in the past decade isnt it? Be great to see you in the Premiership next season after your deserved promotion... Hang On. Apologies... Congratulations to Poole on your 85th title, but even greater congratulations to the runners up, Leicseter, on your "promotion" to the Premiership.. All very confusing this... Lets hope next season the Leicester area has lots of warm dry summer evenings, (unlike obviously it suffered this year if appears), meaning they can complete their home fixtures, (and this time at their own track)... Seriously though, with a crowd mentioned at circa 600 (for the "flagship final" in the 2nd tier), it was probably a very fitting "epitaph" to another season of Speedway in the UK.. You only had to see the lack of anger from Leicester's fans to the loss of home advantage in the final, which meant basically fighting with one broken arm, and the other tied behind your back, given how fundamental to a result home track advantage is in Speedway, to see the abject "indifference" that so many have for the actual competitions themselves and the results they deliver... Which is sad, but down to nothing more than the way the sport is ran in the UK unfortunately... With that lack of "emotional involvement" always holding the sport back if it wants to continue in a "Team Concept"... (Imagjne in Poland the reaction from fans if something similar happened?) Congratulations to Poole, who do get a fair amount of stick, but you cannot knock the professionalism and success of the business they run, and their fans on here are always good value (and provide plenty of ammo for the rest to fire back at them).. Let's hope the lessons learned will be heeded, but... That does seem to be the "mantra" at the end of most seasons sadly doesnt it? Hopefully next season, the least that happens, is that the play off finals get held at the actual tracks of the finalists and all the other competitions ran actually get completed... Surely not too much to ask, and expect, that is it? Goodbye 2022... Roll on 2023... A bright new dawn maybe? Let's hope so... It would be great to finally see such an incredibly exciting spectacle get the infrastructure around it, that it so deserves, to make it more popular and look more professional... I can imagine crowds in Poland being 20% down this year, or was that reality. Maybe it was due to the 'team concept'? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 I noticed Richard Lawson far from a gating tart last night 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 4 hours ago, arnieg said: Hard to see what track set up would have helped Leicester. Poole were simply better. And as for Lawson's home track knowledge benefitting the Pirates, the same could be said of Rich Worrall [2022] and Connor Mountain [2021] on the Lions side. Agree completely, the simple fact is after heat 3 Leicester never won a race until it was all over in heat 14. If you don't win a race you can't get a heat advantage. Not enough race winners particularly the heat leaders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted November 5, 2022 Report Share Posted November 5, 2022 12 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Lots of bleating from the Poole lot that the Thompons were dirty on Kemp but didn't see it myself, was a good, hard race. I don't think they were dirty, just a hard race where both wanted to win badly, drew was missing about 8 spokes from his front wheel when he came in which kind of explains the last lap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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