szkocjasid Posted October 9, 2022 Report Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) On 10/4/2022 at 8:56 PM, szkocjasid said: With r/r at 2, meaning Edwards in heat 8 (waste of a ride) I'd swap Pijper & Rathbone. If Mildenhall are going to put a nigh on unbeatable rider in heat 8, I'd have my 2 weakest against him & look to pick up points in the heats without Edwards in! I feel my point was proved correct last night. Pijper, as expected, couldn't beat Edwards in heat 8. Having Rathbone in that heat likely wouldn't have cost them any points (Rathbone looked stronger than Muff). But Pijper would have been favourite to win heat 12, so Berwick could have added an extra 2 or 4 points onto their first leg lead! Edited October 9, 2022 by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted October 9, 2022 Report Share Posted October 9, 2022 1 hour ago, szkocjasid said: I feel my point was proved correct last night. Pijper, as expected, couldn't beat Edwards in heat 8. Having Rathbone in that heat likely wouldn't have cost them any points (Rathbone looked stronger than Muff). But Pijper would have been favourite to win heat 12, so Berwick could have added an extra 2 or 4 points onto their first leg lead! Were you though? Luke Harrison was a lot quicker than Ace Pijper in heat 15 before he fell, so would Ace have won heat 12? Ifs, buts and maybes, we will never know. Foe me Luke Harrison was the most impressive rider on show last night, even finishing comfortably ahead of Jason Edwards in heat 11. It could also be said Berwick could have added a few points to their lead by staying on their bikes / Greg Blair's bike troubles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo95 Posted October 9, 2022 Report Share Posted October 9, 2022 8 hours ago, Al Stewart said: I think it depends who is riding to some extent doesn't it? Is Bickley riding and if not is there a decent guest? Is Luke Harrison riding for Mildenhall? Or maybe even Berwick? Might Ashton Broughen come into it? These are all important factors. Not much info available. PS Just realised it is next week rather than today so the criticism of not much info is misplaced. According to Speedway friends on Facebook Greg's season is over so would expect Berwick to need one guest at least (failed to recover fully from a head knock in Keith hamblin post). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted October 9, 2022 Report Share Posted October 9, 2022 2 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I feel my point was proved correct last night. Pijper, as expected, couldn't beat Edwards in heat 8. Having Rathbone in that heat likely wouldn't have cost them any points (Rathbone looked stronger than Muff). But Pijper would have been favourite to win heat 12, so Berwick could have added an extra 2 or 4 points onto their first leg lead! 44 minutes ago, topsoil said: Were you though? Luke Harrison was a lot quicker than Ace Pijper in heat 15 before he fell, so would Ace have won heat 12? Ifs, buts and maybes, we will never know. Foe me Luke Harrison was the most impressive rider on show last night, even finishing comfortably ahead of Jason Edwards in heat 11. It could also be said Berwick could have added a few points to their lead by staying on their bikes / Greg Blair's bike troubles. That's why I said 2 or 4 points, while Pijper may or may not have beaten Harrison, I'm sure he would have beaten Warren! I was very impressed with Harrison, just needs some coaching from Chris Harris about riding the deep outside & he'll be unstoppable! He's a must signing for the Bullets on a 3.00 ave for next season! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc131 Posted October 9, 2022 Report Share Posted October 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: That's why I said 2 or 4 points, while Pijper may or may not have beaten Harrison, I'm sure he would have beaten Warren! I was very impressed with Harrison, just needs some coaching from Chris Harris about riding the deep outside & he'll be unstoppable! He's a must signing for the Bullets on a 3.00 ave for next season! Should of really been in when turned 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted October 9, 2022 Report Share Posted October 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, mc131 said: Should of really been in when turned 15 Hi mate unfortunately due to 250cc commitments for the period of time after he turned 15 until after the cut off date it was impossible to sign for any club as he would of been unavailable to much 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc131 Posted October 9, 2022 Report Share Posted October 9, 2022 41 minutes ago, phillwhitewasmad said: Hi mate unfortunately due to 250cc commitments for the period of time after he turned 15 until after the cut off date it was impossible to sign for any club as he would of been unavailable to much Thanks, thought it was strange why berwick wouldn't of had him in the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 On 10/9/2022 at 2:31 PM, Islander15 said: It’s a bit of a joke if the play-offs are decided by who can book the best 3.00 unattached reserve and then hope they honour the booking! On 10/9/2022 at 2:35 PM, Sings4Speedway said: Have to agree on that, think that once it comes to play offs an unattached rider has to take a bookings for 1 side only and if they go out its no further bookings until the next season. Still wouldn't solve the problem of the league being decided by a team losing their weakest rider & strengthening up with the "next Dan Bewley" - not that you can solve that problem, can't tell a team not to pick a good guest! Actually you can solve the problem - don't have play-offs! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, szkocjasid said: That's why I said 2 or 4 points, while Pijper may or may not have beaten Harrison, I'm sure he would have beaten Warren! I was very impressed with Harrison, just needs some coaching from Chris Harris about riding the deep outside & he'll be unstoppable! He's a must signing for the Bullets on a 3.00 ave for next season! 18 hours ago, mc131 said: Should of really been in when turned 15 I suppose in Berwick's defence it wasn't like they had an obvious non-scoring reserve to replace. Weakest rider throughout the year as been on a 4.00 ave (ish). Probably also don't want to give Harrison enough matches to get an average! Edited October 10, 2022 by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 22 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Still wouldn't solve the problem of the league being decided by a team losing their weakest rider & strengthening up with the "next Dan Bewley" - not that you can solve that problem, can't tell a team not to pick a good guest! Actually you can solve the problem - don't have play-offs! There is a strong argument for not having play-offs in the NDL, in that at most tracks NDL fixtures will be shunted aside in preference to Prem/CL matches making cut-off compliance even more challenging. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 1 hour ago, szkocjasid said: I suppose in Berwick's defence it wasn't like they had an obvious non-scoring reserve to replace. Weakest rider throughout the year as been on a 4.00 ave (ish). Probably also don't want to give Harrison enough matches to get an average! As a family we chose not to let Luke get an average and certainly wouldn't of been swayed by any club dictating about the volume of meetings he would or wouldn't compete in . Our decisions are based on his development 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 4 hours ago, phillwhitewasmad said: As a family we chose not to let Luke get an average and certainly wouldn't of been swayed by any club dictating about the volume of meetings he would or wouldn't compete in . Our decisions are based on his development Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo95 Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 17 hours ago, phillwhitewasmad said: As a family we chose not to let Luke get an average and certainly wouldn't of been swayed by any club dictating about the volume of meetings he would or wouldn't compete in . Our decisions are based on his development The decisions you have made so far in his career have been good. Keep it up. Remember some of the best races on a night were with Luke and Sam on their 125's. Great to see the two of them making great progress along with Ace. Shame I was at a wedding on Saturday night as I seem to have missed an entertaining meeting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 22 hours ago, phillwhitewasmad said: As a family we chose not to let Luke get an average and certainly wouldn't of been swayed by any club dictating about the volume of meetings he would or wouldn't compete in . Our decisions are based on his development I respect that decision. But this is where the rules allow lunacy when he’s effectively been stopped from riding over the late summer but can then come in to win someone a league or cup title! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc131 Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Islander15 said: I respect that decision. But this is where the rules allow lunacy when he’s effectively been stopped from riding over the late summer but can then come in to win someone a league or cup title! I get what ur saying but he isn't going to stop Leicester winning the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Islander15 said: I respect that decision. But this is where the rules allow lunacy when he’s effectively been stopped from riding over the late summer but can then come in to win someone a league or cup title! He wasn't stopped from riding at all he has been competing on the 250cc all summer in Europe and doing mdsl and Pjl on the 500. Only decision made was not to allow him to ride at NDL level until the European stuff was out of the way. He had one none riding appearance at no8 for Bellevue and turned down several other offers of guest or no8 bookings due to being to close to his other commitments. Also please remember he and a couple of others are replacing injured riders not taking someone else's spot. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted October 12, 2022 Report Share Posted October 12, 2022 16 hours ago, phillwhitewasmad said: He wasn't stopped from riding at all he has been competing on the 250cc all summer in Europe and doing mdsl and Pjl on the 500. Only decision made was not to allow him to ride at NDL level until the European stuff was out of the way. He had one none riding appearance at no8 for Bellevue and turned down several other offers of guest or no8 bookings due to being to close to his other commitments. Also please remember he and a couple of others are replacing injured riders not taking someone else's spot. I am nearly referring to the NL only. He was effectively stopped from rising by getting an average after 4 meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 13, 2022 Report Share Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/11/2022 at 5:35 PM, phillwhitewasmad said: He wasn't stopped from riding at all he has been competing on the 250cc all summer in Europe and doing mdsl and Pjl on the 500. Only decision made was not to allow him to ride at NDL level until the European stuff was out of the way. He had one none riding appearance at no8 for Bellevue and turned down several other offers of guest or no8 bookings due to being to close to his other commitments. Also please remember he and a couple of others are replacing injured riders not taking someone else's spot. Keep up the good work he is progressing nicely.Very entertaining at Berwick anytime I have seen him,wish him well in his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted October 14, 2022 Report Share Posted October 14, 2022 9 hours ago, Fromafar said: Keep up the good work he is progressing nicely.Very entertaining at Berwick anytime I have seen him,wish him well in his career. Thanks for that he loves the place . we are trying hard to guide him in the right direction 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spittaler Posted October 14, 2022 Report Share Posted October 14, 2022 On 10/11/2022 at 5:35 PM, phillwhitewasmad said: He wasn't stopped from riding at all he has been competing on the 250cc all summer in Europe and doing mdsl and Pjl on the 500. Only decision made was not to allow him to ride at NDL level until the European stuff was out of the way. He had one none riding appearance at no8 for Bellevue and turned down several other offers of guest or no8 bookings due to being to close to his other commitments. Also please remember he and a couple of others are replacing injured riders not taking someone else's spot. I dont know Luke or family but seems they have their heads screwed on. I really enjoyed watching him at Berwick not only last Saturday but in his development through the Berwick Academy as a wee lad. I would love to see how he progresses next season in NDL and would love that to be at Berwick but am sure family will make right call for him with his input too. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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