screm Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 Its great news for Belle Vue that they have signed Lambert, but allowing it is just plain wrong. The BSPL have a set of rules, they need to stick to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 Let’s not clutch at straws here, Belle Vue have well and truly smashed the transfer window rule to smithereens. Lambert is riding contrary to the regulations. Ipswich should ride under protest, and not be afraid to explain why in front of the TV cameras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, SPD444 said: So, for completeness, could you show the long-term injury rule please. The rule you have shown only covers riders returning from injury and am interested to find which rule it would have been for BV to appeal against. It is rule 012.2 "A Premiership Transfer Window opens after 25% of the League fixtures are complete and closes when 75% of League fixtures are complete. This permits changes to the team on 2 occasions, except for proven long term injury." It seems pretty clear that the SPIRIT of these two rules is that there are no transfers outside the transfer window except for long-term injury replacements, and none at all after 28 August. This was clearly their intention when they refused Belle Vue permission to use Lambert. Of course, there was enough ambiguity in these two rules when put together for any half-decent lawyer (or even fan for that matter!) to find a loophole. If that was their intention, then it should have been stated clearly in BOTH rules what they meant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSS1 Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said: Let’s not clutch at straws here, Belle Vue have well and truly smashed the transfer window rule to smithereens. Lambert is riding contrary to the regulations. Ipswich should ride under protest, and not be afraid to explain why in front of the TV cameras. oh dear box of Kleenex any good to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, ouch said: But you cannot ignore the newer rule either, in fact the newer rule should take precedence over the old one, which shouldn’t have been left in. If you apply both rules then you have two cut off dates for changes. Ipswich hit the deadline 07/08/2022 but if they wanted to make a change they could say they will use the old rule and have until the 28/08/2022. Sheffield hit theirs 31/08/2022 so they would prefer to use the new rule to get some extra days should they need it. There is no reason for the old rule to be there, as I’ve mentioned before it impacted teams with long term injury issues when all it need to do was address ringers. The fact the new rule did this and evened out the playing field for when teams could change up to (75%) was perfect. Unfortunately they forgot to remove the old rule. Just to be clear to the usual suspects, no rules have been hastily rewritten, no brown envelopes have changed hands (a refreshing change after all these years) and nothing has been done with the dreaded best interests of speedway that the in crowd often use. It’s purely a desire to see the rules adhered to and the usual BSPL antics pushed to one side. Actually, I've just realised that if you read rule 12.2 as it is written, the transfer window doesn't actually allow any transfers at all for proven long-term injury. "This permits changes to the team on 2 occasions, except for proven long term injury." Sheffield and Wolves should get a lawyer onto that one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSS1 Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 think we can class Lemmo now with Middleditch & Adams has pulling master strokes in getting class riders in play/offs jumped up in my estimation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSS1 Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Grachan said: Actually, I've just realised that if you read rule 12.2 as it is written, the transfer window doesn't actually allow any transfers at all for proven long-term injury. "This permits changes to the team on 2 occasions, except for proven long term injury." Sheffield and Wolves should get a lawyer onto that one! obviously does't hence Lambert riding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Rob B said: Was the rule written the same way then? I don't have a copy of 2017 rule book but know the rule was rewrittten this year to include the 25% to 75% window with 2 transfers except for long term injury. I think the ruling regarding the transfer deadline is worded almost exactly the same. It's been about for years, the only bit that has changed is the date. At one point it was mid-September, now it's the end of August. It's the only relevant rule that applies in such cases. Making more than 2 changes because of long-term injury between 25% to 75% makes no odds now - we're no longer in that window! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one of clubs Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 I do not see what all the fuss is about. It is merely a like for like signing, with one rider having a lower average than the one he replaces, FFS. As for the title being already in the bag, ask our potential opponents the same question. We have not signed Bartos Zmarzlik, and let us not forget RL has not ridden in UK for a few seasons now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 Has any of the official announcements mentioned how they have managed to get Lambert signed given "the rules"? It would be good to know maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 I don't give 2 s#!+s about British Speedway as a competition any more, at least there could be a challenger so Doyle's not going through the card unchallenged tonight. I just hope Sheffield make the final, will be better meetings than Monmore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, lucifer sam said: I think the ruling regarding the transfer deadline is worded almost exactly the same. It's been about for years, the only bit that has changed is the date. At one point it was mid-September, now it's the end of August. It's the only relevant rule that applies in such cases. Making more than 2 changes because of long-term injury between 25% to 75% makes no odds now - we're no longer in that window! Interesting. That's yet another interpretation. I was thinking that it is saying you can make changes outside the transfer window for long-term injuries but, yes, you could be correct that it means you can only make more than 2 if you have a long-term injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Grachan said: Interesting. That's yet another interpretation. I was thinking that it is saying you can make changes outside the transfer window for long-term injuries but, yes, you could be correct that it means you can only make more than 2 if you have a long-term injury. It’s all about interpretation, as with all Speedway Rules it depends which Promotion is interpreting them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 The only thing to learn from this, is the 'team' spirit at belle vue must be bad if Lemon doesnt believe his six and Klint can beat Ipswich 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 11 minutes ago, one of clubs said: I do not see what all the fuss is about. It is merely a like for like signing, with one rider having a lower average than the one he replaces, FFS. As for the title being already in the bag, ask our potential opponents the same question. We have not signed Bartos Zmarzlik, and let us not forget RL has not ridden in UK for a few seasons now. Forgot about that,Robert will be up against tonight not having ridden here since he won the Speedway of Nations.!!! Hopefully he has improved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 26 minutes ago, Grachan said: Actually, I've just realised that if you read rule 12.2 as it is written, the transfer window doesn't actually allow any transfers at all for proven long-term injury. "This permits changes to the team on 2 occasions, except for proven long term injury." Sheffield and Wolves should get a lawyer onto that one! What does “this” refer to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 14 minutes ago, Grachan said: Interesting. That's yet another interpretation. I was thinking that it is saying you can make changes outside the transfer window for long-term injuries but, yes, you could be correct that it means you can only make more than 2 if you have a long-term injury. Ouch ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPD444 Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 38 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said: Let’s not clutch at straws here, Belle Vue have well and truly smashed the transfer window rule to smithereens. Lambert is riding contrary to the regulations. Ipswich should ride under protest, and not be afraid to explain why in front of the TV cameras. Well, I think Chris Louis would be in a position do that wouldn’t he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 Not sure what the fuss is about. As a tie it is over, the Aces are through so just treat it like an individual meeting (ignore who is wearing what race jacket) and hopefully you will see some good races with those who turn up and hopefully all come through unscathed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 3, 2022 Report Share Posted October 3, 2022 40 minutes ago, NSS1 said: think we can class Lemmo now with Middleditch & Adams has pulling master strokes in getting class riders in play/offs jumped up in my estimation Usually you would say if Belle Vue win the league it would be in spite of Lemon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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