OveFundinFan Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 I not a Jack fan but he was robbed tonight, shame. Whilst in the past most were applauding Zmarzliks genius, I always reckoned he was verging on wreckless. For two years he has had an easy passage, put under pressure, like tonight, and the wreckless Zmarzlik might come to the surface and be more noticeable. I just hope none of his opponents get injured. If it’s Freddie that is going to take it to Zmarzlik then I am happy with that. Even more so if Freddie come out as winner. He deserves it, always a trier. But he needs some backup. Disappointed with Leon Madsen. I know he been carrying a back injury last couple years. If he has had surgery maybe it’s not worked and it’s affecting his performance. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryehouseforever Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 The biggest Homer referee of all time. Zmarzlik should have been excluded. Race should have been awarded. Holder and Doyle both robbed. Referee lost his bottle The speedway world is intimidated by Poland. When they say jump the rest of speedway says how high! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: I not a Jack fan but he was robbed tonight, shame. Whilst in the past most were applauding Zmarzliks genius, I always reckoned he was verging on wreckless. For two years he has had an easy passage, put under pressure, like tonight, and the wreckless Zmarzlik might come to the surface and be more noticeable. I just hope none of his opponents get injured. If it’s Freddie that is going to take it to Zmarzlik then I am happy with that. Even more so if Freddie come out as winner. He deserves it, always a trier. But he needs some backup. Disappointed with Leon Madsen. I know he been carrying a back injury last couple years. If he has had surgery maybe it’s not worked and it’s affecting his performance. We must be watching different rider Bart is already one of the greatest riders this sport has seen ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJC Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, FAST GATER said: Can't agree Bart is reckless but spot on about him being genius on a bike Doyle has been reckless for most of his career IMO Doyle makes some really bad decisions and can be very reckless but was on the receiving end of a few naughty ones early on. Zmarzlik has been lucky not to seriously hurt himself or anyone else because 99/100 times he pulls that same move and people move out of the way…knowing they’ll get wiped out otherwise. he’s not been out under pressure for a while and I have a feeling that won’t be the first flash point his year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, DJC said: Doyle makes some really bad decisions and can be very reckless but was on the receiving end of a few naughty ones early on. Zmarzlik has been lucky not to seriously hurt himself or anyone else because 99/100 times he pulls that same move and people move out of the way…knowing they’ll get wiped out otherwise. he’s not been out under pressure for a while and I have a feeling that won’t be the first flash point his year Can't agree about Bart just marvel at his skill and speed always feel Doyle is just a bully ! Edited May 13, 2023 by FAST GATER 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, JoeW436 said: Glad Holder slammed the door shut though and hopefully a few of the others will not just wave him past like they have done for a while You make a good point here. You know, you can always choose to stay on and race like Zmarzlik did in the re run when Jack slammed the door. You don't always have to go for the swan dive. Zmarzlik had a tyre width lead and Doyle puts his arm on his leg. Glad the referee actually watched it multiple times as I hate the notion that a rider passing another up the inside is always at fault. If Doyle actually concedes the corner, that he arrived at second, chances are Zmarzlik drifts up and he cuts back under him and secures 3rd place, but he gambled and lost this time. Edited May 13, 2023 by CB252 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, DJC said: Doyle makes some really bad decisions and can be very reckless but was on the receiving end of a few naughty ones early on. Zmarzlik has been lucky not to seriously hurt himself or anyone else because 99/100 times he pulls that same move and people move out of the way…knowing they’ll get wiped out otherwise. he’s not been out under pressure for a while and I have a feeling that won’t be the first flash point his year Noticeable that he tried it a few times, however, on such a small track he wasnt able to generate the speed he usually does on the bigger circuits for him to line up his "signature move"... The "bend three dive bomb" where he basically rides his opponents (who lift their leg up out of the way), up the track deep into bend four.. Doyle, Lindgren and Madsen are the three riders who seem to he able to stay strong and prevent him forcing them out... The rest all take evasive action and surrender position... Holder tonight showed some steel of his own, so maybe he too will now be less intimidated.. Edited May 13, 2023 by mikebv 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, mikebv said: Noticeable that he tried it a few times, however, on such a small track he wasnt able to generate the speed he usually does on the bigger circuits for him to line up his "signature move"... The "bend three dive bomb" where he basically rides his opponents (who lift their leg up out of the way), up the track deep into bend four.. Doyle, Lindgren and Madsen are the three riders who seem to he able to stay strong and prevent him forcing them out... The rest all take evasive action and surrender position... Holder tonight showed some steel of his own, so maybe he too will now be less intimidated.. This track and next one are not great for Bart but after Prague he should be able kick on then ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 Freddie has 'gained' 11 Championship Points (36) v Race Points (25) Bartosz has 'gained' 8 Championship points (36) v Race Points (28) Top Race Points scorer Doyle (29) has 28 Championship points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 20 minutes ago, Gambo said: Freddie has 'gained' 11 Championship Points (36) v Race Points (25) Bartosz has 'gained' 8 Championship points (36) v Race Points (28) Top Race Points scorer Doyle (29) has 28 Championship points. I always preferred the points you score being the points you get, getting in a final on 8 and being awarded 20 if you win it is a joke 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falubaz Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 1 hour ago, screm said: Polish rider. Polish crowd, Polish stadium. No more to say. Bullrubbish. Doyle did what Neymar is famous of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falubaz Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 1 hour ago, DJC said: Doyle makes some really bad decisions and can be very reckless but was on the receiving end of a few naughty ones early on. Zmarzlik has been lucky not to seriously hurt himself or anyone else because 99/100 times he pulls that same move and people move out of the way…knowing they’ll get wiped out otherwise. he’s not been out under pressure for a while and I have a feeling that won’t be the first flash point his year Watch it again and tell me Zmarzlik made Doyle to lay. WATCH IT AGAIN WITH NO BIAS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJC Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 Just now, Falubaz said: Watch it again and tell me Zmarzlik made Doyle to lay. WATCH IT AGAIN WITH NO BIAS Took him out. throttle works both ways and you can’t force gaps. Tell me Doyle wouldn’t have been excluded if he’d done that to Zmarzlik! Not about bias it’s about consistency, and for the record I think Doyley’s an absolute helmet on and off the track 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebaker Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 Lindgren should of been excluded in the first semi final. Impeded Bewley. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 (edited) Speedway IS NOT a contact sport despite what Greg Hancock said, so either Bartek knocked JD off or Doyley turned in on him... for me Doyley did not turn in on Bartek. Good result for Holder 2000th of a second to grab 2nd, with those kind of margins I wonder if the difference in length between the edge of the front tyre and the transponder could decide a result? (Although I realise not so on this occasion) Edited May 13, 2023 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Eck Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 Cracking GP from the first heat. I’m not a Holder fan but he must feel robbed, and rightly so. The referee had two decision to make, both involving Zmarzlik, and my view is he got both right. The first one was cut and dried, the second one seems to be controversial. If you watch a rerun and keep your eye on BZ from when he drew level with Doyle as they came off bend 2, then you’ll see he didn’t deviate from his line. After he was ahead of Doyle, Doyle turned into him and Doyle did the Chris Harris jump off (something Doyle criticised Harris for doing!) Doyle is usually the master of histrionics but he seemed to take his disqualification more calmly. No pushing cameras away or flouncing into his pit bay. That suggests to me he knew the disqualification was fair. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 I thought it was an enjoyable GP. I seem to be in the minority here in thinking the refs decision in the final was a reasonable one. Just a shame for Holder that the result wasn't awarded. The other positions weren't in doubt when the incident happened, but I presume awarding wasn't an option? I thought the two incidents where riders lost out due to riders in front losing control might have merited more discussion. Both Bewley and Kowalski had to shut off to avoid out of control opponents and they lost positions due to this, which seems unfair. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, HenryW said: Both Bewley and Kowalski had to shut off to avoid out of control opponents and they lost positions due to this, which seems unfair. Unfair riding used to be a reason to exclude a rider, in Britain at least, don't know if it still is or if it's an FIM reg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 1 hour ago, 89buttons said: I always preferred the points you score being the points you get, getting in a final on 8 and being awarded 20 if you win it is a joke Is it really a joke that the winner of the GP gets the most points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 13, 2023 Report Share Posted May 13, 2023 (edited) https://twitter.com/iainebrown/status/1657513075187101697?t=M9Lj1_4R7ReHhxzbYNz05w&s=19 Edited May 14, 2023 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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