TTT Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 Well done to Louis and team. Every top rider who rides over here can only help the league as a whole out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSmiler Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 Has it been confirmed or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 minute ago, TheSmiler said: Has it been confirmed or something? Soon by the sound of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted February 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 6 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I've heard that rule mentioned on here many times, but until I see it happen won't believe it! The last instance I can find of this happening is at Birmingham in 2019. James Shanes finished 2018 on a 5.09 ave, with British reduction starts 2019 on a 4.96 ave. He rides at reserve with Tobias Thomsen on a 5.00 ave starting in the team! Unless the rules have changed since then? The basic 2.5% reduction would see a rider at reserve or in the main body based on what the average is after the 2.5% has been applied This is a rising star reduction though of 25% so its purely aimed at encouraging clubs to use those no longer eligible for the rising star scheme to get opportunities so they have a saving on the average to use in team building but ghe original average if higher than the reserves is used for riding order So both completely different scenarios for british reductions Madness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Falcon1983 said: The basic 2.5% reduction would see a rider at reserve or in the main body based on what the average is after the 2.5% has been applied This is a rising star reduction though of 25% so its purely aimed at encouraging clubs to use those no longer eligible for the rising star scheme to get opportunities so they have a saving on the average to use in team building but the original average if higher than the reserves is used for riding order So both completely different scenarios for british reductions Madness The comments I read suggested as well as Brennan (4.40) being in the team & Lidsey (5.16) at reserve, we'd also see King (8.05) at number one for Redcar not Riss (8.24)? So I assumed the British reduction rules were the same & couldn't think of a previous time team building averages weren't used for riding order! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) If the choice is between Heeps & Hume (my pick) for their last rider, would anyone look at Dillon Ruml or Broc Nicol instead? Edited February 21, 2023 by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 Ipswich shouldn't count their chickens just yet. The British Government are still pushing that every 'world sports governing bodies' suspend Russian & Belarusian athletes from competing. Only those that have citizenship outside of these countries pre-2019 are expected to be exempt. I'm watching this situation pretty closely & for Speedway, Emil & both Laguta's will remain suspended as they claimed citizenships in 2021/2022. There are a lot of associations pushing back & threatening sanctions against UK athletes if the British Government persist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Ipswich shouldn't count their chickens just yet. The British Government are still pushing that every 'world sports governing bodies' suspend Russian & Belarusian athletes from competing. Only those that have citizenship outside of these countries pre-2019 are expected to be exempt. I'm watching this situation pretty closely & for Speedway, Emil & both Laguta's will remain suspended as they claimed citizenships in 2021/2022. There are a lot of associations pushing back & threatening sanctions against UK athletes if the British Government persist. Someone said Emil has had polish citizenship since about 2009… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Ipswich shouldn't count their chickens just yet. The British Government are still pushing that every 'world sports governing bodies' suspend Russian & Belarusian athletes from competing. Only those that have citizenship outside of these countries pre-2019 are expected to be exempt. I'm watching this situation pretty closely & for Speedway, Emil & both Laguta's will remain suspended as they claimed citizenships in 2021/2022. There are a lot of associations pushing back & threatening sanctions against UK athletes if the British Government persist. “In March 2009, Sayfutdinov gained Polish citizenship.” “and on April 22, 2010, confirmed Sayfutdinov as domestic rider and known as Emil Sajfutdinow” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Sayfutdinov https://m.vk.com/wall-29678582_436890?lang=en 1 hour ago, 89buttons said: Someone said Emil has had polish citizenship since about 2009… Correct. If you look on the Ekstraliga app, he’s still registered as Emil Sayfutdinow, not Sayfutdinov. Edited February 21, 2023 by Arch Stanton 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 5 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Ipswich shouldn't count their chickens just yet. The British Government are still pushing that every 'world sports governing bodies' suspend Russian & Belarusian athletes from competing. Only those that have citizenship outside of these countries pre-2019 are expected to be exempt. I'm watching this situation pretty closely & for Speedway, Emil & both Laguta's will remain suspended as they claimed citizenships in 2021/2022. There are a lot of associations pushing back & threatening sanctions against UK athletes if the British Government persist. Just for reference too, Grigori Laguta hasn’t claimed Polish citizenship. After his comments made at the beginning of the war, I think hell is likely to freeze over before he gains Polish citizenship! He does however have Latvian citizenship I believe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 30 minutes ago, Najjer said: Just for reference too, Grigori Laguta hasn’t claimed Polish citizenship. After his comments made at the beginning of the war, I think hell is likely to freeze over before he gains Polish citizenship! He does however have Latvian citizenship I believe. Did you mean Artem? It’s Artem people are talking about here. Artem Laguta has been riding on a Polish license since April 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicar Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Arch Stanton said: Did you mean Artem? It’s Artem people are talking about here. Artem Laguta has been riding on a Polish license since April 2020. Artem was never riding on a Polish licence, because he doesn't have that. However he has a Polish citizenship. Emil has Polish citizenship since 2009 and Polish license, but he rode on Polish licence I believe one year around 2010. I believe Artem has Polish citizenship since before the war Edited February 21, 2023 by Vicar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Vicar said: Artem was never riding on a Polish licence, because he doesn't have that. However he has a Polish citizenship. Emil has Polish citizenship since 2009 and Polish license, but he rode on Polish licence I believe one year around 2010. I believe Artem has Polish citizenship since before the war “In April 2020, he obtained a dual national speedway licence after obtaining a Polish licence” Was just going off Wiki. Maybe that’s inaccurate I honestly don’t know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Arch Stanton said: Correct. If you look on the Ekstraliga app, he’s still registered as Emil Sayfutdinow, not Sayfutdinov. I always wondered why they done that. Pretty sure they refer or at least did refer to Artem Laguta as Artiom Laguta as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 17 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I've heard that rule mentioned on here many times, but until I see it happen won't believe it! The last instance I can find of this happening is at Birmingham in 2019. James Shanes finished 2018 on a 5.09 ave, with British reduction starts 2019 on a 4.96 ave. He rides at reserve with Tobias Thomsen on a 5.00 ave starting in the team! Unless the rules have changed since then? It was confirmed to me by an email from BSPL office (very helpful with general queries). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicar Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 55 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: “In April 2020, he obtained a dual national speedway licence after obtaining a Polish licence” Was just going off Wiki. Maybe that’s inaccurate I honestly don’t know. Inaccurate. Wroclaw wanted to register Artem for Polish license exam in March 2022: https://sport.tvp.pl/59309933/media-betard-sparta-wroclaw-chce-zglosic-artioma-lagute-do-egzaminu-na-licencje 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicar Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Arch Stanton said: Correct. If you look on the Ekstraliga app, he’s still registered as Emil Sayfutdinow, not Sayfutdinov. Probably because he has "Sayftutdinov" in his passport written. I don't know why, but Russians while obtaining Polish passport usual have English transcription of their name, not Polish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Vicar said: Inaccurate. Wroclaw wanted to register Artem for Polish license exam in March 2022: https://sport.tvp.pl/59309933/media-betard-sparta-wroclaw-chce-zglosic-artioma-lagute-do-egzaminu-na-licencje Emil has to go through the same exam apparently. Żużel. PZM mógłby zrobić na złość Rosjanom i wykluczyć ich z przygotowań do sezonu - Sport WP SportoweFakty (sportowefakty-wp-pl.translate.goog) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicar Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, TTT said: Emil has to go through the same exam apparently. Żużel. PZM mógłby zrobić na złość Rosjanom i wykluczyć ich z przygotowań do sezonu - Sport WP SportoweFakty (sportowefakty-wp-pl.translate.goog) You are right. Polish license expires if you don't use it for one year. I thought that doesn't concern Emil. But apparently it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Arch Stanton said: Did you mean Artem? It’s Artem people are talking about here. Artem Laguta has been riding on a Polish license since April 2020. No I meant Grigori - the poster before me who I had quoted said “Emil and both Lagutas” which isn’t correct. Grigori has not applied for Polish citizenship or a license. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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