Falcon1983 Posted January 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 30 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: I love it how you state "anywhere between £70,000 - £100,000 a season" with such confidence. Does sponsorship really start at £70K? LOL! I stand by my point that there's no money in the sport - the clubs are heavily reliant on cash flow from paying customers, but continue to treat those customers as a source of income to be used, rather than as customers who must be entertained and, at least, retained. Maybe he meant combined via all sponsorships so total generated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 32 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said: Maybe he meant combined via all sponsorships so total generated Nope, each club per season. King's Lynn were getting £70,000pa from Roger Warnes Transport years ago & was said to be the lowest in the top league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 22 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Nope, each club per season. King's Lynn were getting £70,000pa from Roger Warnes Transport years ago & was said to be the lowest in the top league Still all rumour and guesswork. Take a look at the last accounts filed by Ipswich: https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/02362212/filing-history Virtually no assets. 1 Director. Not a lot of tax paid. Essentially not really worth anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 24 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: Still all rumour and guesswork. Take a look at the last accounts filed by Ipswich: https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/02362212/filing-history Virtually no assets. 1 Director. Not a lot of tax paid. Essentially not really worth anything. Just stick to watching the racing. You would fall off you chair once you realise the £'s floating around this sport. Yes, clubs struggle but it doesn't mean the numbers exchanging hands are miniscule. Speedway is f'ckin expensive & clubs need 6 figure incomings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB1 Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 If you look at most Ipswich sides put together since the 90s then my god have we signed some guff riders! All the more reason for the management to take their time and get it right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: Still all rumour and guesswork. Take a look at the last accounts filed by Ipswich: https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/02362212/filing-history Virtually no assets. 1 Director. Not a lot of tax paid. Essentially not really worth anything. You never get attendance figures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 1 hour ago, TB1 said: If you look at most Ipswich sides put together since the 90s then my god have we signed some guff riders! All the more reason for the management to take their time and get it right. , I love it when someone's says it as it is. Absolutely spot on,,,,still,,, the could take ages and still put a naff team together yet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB1 Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 To be honest we've had riders that cannot win a raffle let alone a race. Perhaps one of our esteemed local hacks could put together a book on crap Ipswich riders? Mind you it would probably be thicker than the old testament! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, TB1 said: To be honest we've had riders that cannot win a raffle let alone a race. Perhaps one of our esteemed local hacks could put together a book on crap Ipswich riders? Mind you it would probably be thicker than the old testament! It's harder to win a raffle. Only 4 in a race....... Try being a Stars fan.. Edited January 18, 2023 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: It's harder to win a raffle. Only 4 in a race....... Try being a Stars fan.. You won the premiership,, as know then,, twice before moving back up,,, and premier trophy 3 times in about 5 years Edited January 19, 2023 by Baldyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 Bit more of an extension of Ritchie’s tweet in todays Speedway Star. “Witches are holding fire” is the headline. Basically it’s at least another month and they’re “keeping all options open and not rushing” The piece touches on plans being linked to FIM decisions and it seems still very much set on plan A for now. “we want to do everything we can to get the best possible side out, so that’s where we’re at. “Certainly we’ll be a team who are aiming to challenge for the title” So that’s the latest. There’s two sets of supporters I guess, those that are hopeful and will read that as a positive and will continue to get their hopes up, and the others who have seen this movie before and already know the ending 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 7 hours ago, Baldyman said: You won the premiership,, as know then,, twice before moving back up,,, and premier trophy 3 times in about 5 years Ten trophies in five seasons 2005-09 including two trebles. Good times. Nothing like competing on the top league though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Ten trophies in five seasons 2005-09 including two trebles. Good times. Nothing like competing on the top league though. Agree on your second bit there. Personally I’d rather one top flight title than ten in the second tier. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 10 hours ago, TB1 said: To be honest we've had riders that cannot win a raffle let alone a race. Perhaps one of our esteemed local hacks could put together a book on crap Ipswich riders? Mind you it would probably be thicker than the old testament! <loads of blank lines deleted> Do you keep falling asleep on the Return key?! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Arch Stanton said: Agree on your second bit there. Personally I’d rather one top flight title than ten in the second tier. Indeed, the difference in prize money makes it all worthwhile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: Indeed, the difference in prize money makes it all worthwhile As a fan, couldn’t care less about the financial side. That up to them to deal with 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 18 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Great track that deserved top league status but unfortunately took the jump to early. Don't think it was just being in the top league that was the downfall, something wasn't quite right with the Hancocks, they always talked a good game but always gave the impression they'd sell the land eventually for huge profits You aren’t completely wrong - but certainly didn’t take the jump too early. We had absolutely cleared up in the 2nd division and it had started to become abit stale with fans crying out to see some of the top riders on a regular basis. The first year in the Premiership we were too loyal to the team that had just won the Championship and got battered most places. They went all out in the second season and basically burst the bank to get the World Champion in, Jack Holder from Poole and Chris Holder was on the verge of signing too if it wasn’t blocked. If we didn’t stupidly sack Charles Wright and replace him Claus Vissing and then Aaron Summers we would of won the league too. After that, dropping down a league killed most peoples enthusiasm especially when people like Jake Allen who had become a huge fan favourite fell out of favour, Charles Wright had just been sacked and the likes of Doyle and Holder who had been insanely good were then nowhere to be seen. Instead we were treated to the likes of Rory Schlein at no.1 and a very run of the mill and not typical Somerset side. If teams can get the top riders for a sensible and fair price, I have no doubt they will bring in the fans. There won’t be a massive queue on opening night to watch Richie Worrall or Ben Barker, but I bet there will be for Sayfutdinov or the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 10 hours ago, Baldyman said: You won the premiership,, as know then,, twice before moving back up,,, and premier trophy 3 times in about 5 years That's true and great, but it's not the big one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Najjer said: If teams can get the top riders for a sensible and fair price, I have no doubt they will bring in the fans. There won’t be a massive queue on opening night to watch Richie Worrall or Ben Barker, but I bet there will be for Sayfutdinov or the like. What's sensible for 'World Class' though? I don't think £5-£6k is unreasonable per meeting for a world class rider. If you want them, you pay for them. The issue is, 100%, the uptick in fans wouldn't even cover the rider's costs. These guys get paid the same home & away so you'd need roughly £10,000 worth of extra fans every home match. Almost impossible when Ipswich already have Doyle at No1. Only TruPlant can afford to cover these costs, Ipswich itself certainly can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 14 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Just stick to watching the racing. You would fall off you chair once you realise the £'s floating around this sport. Yes, clubs struggle but it doesn't mean the numbers exchanging hands are miniscule. Speedway is f'ckin expensive & clubs need 6 figure incomings No, I wouldn't fall off the chair because, looking at those accounts, it's obvious there has to be an opaque market of cash doing the rounds. They should have used those skills to become PPE suppliers - the profits generated would have funded the sport for years! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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