Ipswich 2023

[szkocjasid]

5 hours ago, Falcon1983 said:

Bagpuss is spot on I was meaning my reply would be typical Speedway

I am not sure what I have been told makes sense, I guess on one hand if you have a rider who is a RS like Brennan who could still qualify for it, its better if he progresses to take him out of it for a start he will likely be on better money as he's out of the RS system, so there must be an incentive to take him out and run him in the 1-6, so I see the 25% deduction as fair

With others say Hume, he rode well at times last season and people could argue he maybe deserves a chance and I personally believe he deserves to be incentivised for someone to take a chance but maybe promoters want to look at other options as they don't think he will progress any further and there are better options in the 1-6

My other question would be, what happens if Brennan has a poor season, can he go back into the RS scheme in 2024? if he meets the criteria

Im sure he can, I feel I remember reading that when the RS system first came out.

[szkocjasid]

8 hours ago, Falcon1983 said:

25% deduction only counts if they are still eligible for the Rising Star scheme but not used as a RS

Mountain and Hume have to make do with the standard 2.5% brit reduction
 

I'm certain you're wrong there. Any rider who "graduates" from the RS scheme gets a 25% reduction, Brennan due to his average, Mountain & Hume due to their age.

[szkocjasid]

1 hour ago, Arch Stanton said:

I’m sure Zagar still commands a decent wedge, and he’s really not worth it these days IMO. His away GSA was over half a point less than King’s who had a poor year, and practically identical to Batchelor’s away GSA. A firm no from me. Would much rather put those funds to much better use. 

Gotta agree with you there. Zagar was awesome at the NSS (9.37/10.15) but a far different rider away from home (5.68/6.53).

Edited December 14, 2022 by szkocjasid

[Arthur73]

59 minutes ago, 89buttons said:

If neither Hume or mountain have a ride in top flight this season from the start then the rising star scheme has completely failed, two young English riders given an opportunity to gain experience in the top flight, take it and both do very well in 2021, now they’re told sorry lads, you did well but now you’re kicked to the kerb because you’re not allowed to ride at no.7 anymore.

how is that helping progress their careers in any way?

If this happens I absolutely agree but I don't understand why it has failed.

Hume, Mountain and Brennan probably had to graduate out of the system sooner rather than later mainly due to age (I personally think it should be just for UK U21 riders only). Although, all should be resigned this year from their performances last year and the 25% drop in average should've ensured this happened. I don't understand why managers haven't seen the advantage of the 1 point drop in Hume and Mountain's averages and signed them?

The possible explanation for me is that the 25% drop was a last minute decision at the AGM with no prior warning so most team managers couldn't accommodate these 2 riders as their team was already halfway built.

[Arch Stanton]

I agree it does seem to be a bit of a missed opportunity not to pick either up on those averages which would then allow for a powerful top 5. 

[Bagpuss]

2 hours ago, 89buttons said:

If neither Hume or mountain have a ride in top flight this season from the start then the rising star scheme has completely failed, two young English riders given an opportunity to gain experience in the top flight, take it and both do very well in 2021, now they’re told sorry lads, you did well but now you’re kicked to the kerb because you’re not allowed to ride at no.7 anymore.

how is that helping progress their careers in any way?

I don't disagree but it certainly hasn't 'failed'. Tom Brennan is evidence of that. Also consider how the likes of Edwards, Jenkins and Flint have improved since taking their first Premiership rides. The new intake of Thompson, Gilkes and Mulford will hopefully do the same. Its giving our youngsters opportunities instead of average non Brits and that has to be good. 

I also think Hume and Mountain will probably end up with Prem spots anyway once injuries and changes kick in.

[89buttons]

48 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

I don't disagree but it certainly hasn't 'failed'. Tom Brennan is evidence of that. Also consider how the likes of Edwards, Jenkins and Flint have improved since taking their first Premiership rides. The new intake of Thompson, Gilkes and Mulford will hopefully do the same. Its giving our youngsters opportunities instead of average non Brits and that has to be good. 

I also think Hume and Mountain will probably end up with Prem spots anyway once injuries and changes kick in.

And if they all continue to improve and then in 12-24 months no longer qualify for the rising star scheme and subsequently the opportunities disappear I fail to see how it’s working, if the bspa really wanted to help progress British youngsters from inexperience to their full potential then they’d make team building limit tighter, that way the likes of mountain and Hume would be attractive prospects as a no.6 having graduated from the rising star scheme.

[Tom Thumb]

4 hours ago, stu219 said:

Im expecting the last two names to be named tomorrow

Riders not yet signed, as stated by Chris tonigh, hopefully sorted before Christmas.

[Arch Stanton]

19 minutes ago, Tom Thumb said:

Riders not yet signed, as stated by Chris tonigh, hopefully sorted before Christmas.

Was that on radio Suffolk?

[Baldyman]

10 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

Was that on radio Suffolk?

Quizz night? That's on Wednesdays I think 

[Baldyman]

Mmmmm,, so are we waiting on picking up the dregs,,, and making it up as go along,,, or are they just waiting for visa and things like that

Edited December 14, 2022 by Baldyman

[Arch Stanton]

Or Louis has used his broken calculator again..

[Baldyman]

Well another piece of our winning jigsaw could go missing if Sheffield release news of Ellis signing tomorrow. 

[Bagpuss]

1 hour ago, 89buttons said:

And if they all continue to improve and then in 12-24 months no longer qualify for the rising star scheme and subsequently the opportunities disappear I fail to see how it’s working, if the bspa really wanted to help progress British youngsters from inexperience to their full potential then they’d make team building limit tighter, that way the likes of mountain and Hume would be attractive prospects as a no.6 having graduated from the rising star scheme.

If all that happens then yes it's failed but its not done yet. I agree that maybe more could be done for Mountain & Hume, perhaps with more thought they could somehow have been guaranteed a number 6 spot somewhere but on the other hand they are 25 and 26, perhaps they aren't the type of riders the scheme should be for. 

[Tom Thumb]

1 hour ago, Arch Stanton said:

Was that on radio Suffolk?

Supporters Club AGM & quiz night.

Just paperwork to finalise before they can officially announce riders.

others items of note, NO transfers after 31st July, league matches done by end of August, draft fixtures done, more work on track banking, looking to run 16lapper but wont be in initial fixture list.

[Arch Stanton]

5 hours ago, Tom Thumb said:

Supporters Club AGM & quiz night.

Just paperwork to finalise before they can officially announce riders.

others items of note, NO transfers after 31st July, league matches done by end of August, draft fixtures done, more work on track banking, looking to run 16lapper but wont be in initial fixture list.

Thank you. Notice they’ve simplified the transfers thing with no “opening and closing” window. Not surprised after this year’s shenanigans. No transfers after July 31st is much more simple and easy for everyone to understand. Almost certain our (and probably most others) team will look different in August than it does in March..

Personally never been a fan of individual meetings I’m more a team speedway man, but the 16 lapper was always an exception. Always loved this event since I was a kid so pleased it’s still being considered if not guaranteed to return just yet. 

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

Let's hope they tidy up thd regulations and remove conflicting sections rather than just adding anew "no transfers after July 31st"

If not the 'lawyers' will have a field again....

[siggysigalos]

Ellis confirmed at Sheffield, as predicted. Options are now very limited on this Title winning side Louis has put together.

[Baldyman]

Oh well,,, not Ellis.   

[stu219]

The fact nothing has been put out this morning by the club regarding the last two riders makes me believe even they don’t know who that last riders are yet.?

strange considering season tickets go on sale this weekend too, unless the riders are announced tomorrow.

 

that could be good or bad news lol

Edited December 15, 2022 by stu219