Ipswich 2023

[Basher]

This is just a thought I have no idea where it comes from, how about us signing magic ? We need two high level heat leaders 

 

[SamKM91]

Well Batch definitely isn't at Leicester like a few said... Leicester is Fricke, Sedgmen, Lawson, Morris, Harris, Allen, D.Thompson... Mountain extremely unlucky not to be in there. Unlucky not to be at Sheffield either tbh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Arthur73]

I wonder if the last 2 spaces could be filled with Zagar and Craig Cook?

I feel as if Ipswich (and others) haven't utilised the 25% decrease for rising stars well enough. Hume on 2.99 is a steal and maybe Mountain on 3.30 is even better.

[szkocjasid]

8 hours ago, foreverblue said:

I think Wolves will be better this season with the addition of Zach Cook, Rory coming back and maybe Becker will have a better start to the season , Douglas should improve too, he was quite poor on occasions last season.

Will that male a difference though? It's how riders end the season that decides who the Champions will be!

[Panthers99]

6 hours ago, Arthur73 said:

I wonder if the last 2 spaces could be filled with Zagar and Craig Cook?

I feel as if Ipswich (and others) haven't utilised the 25% decrease for rising stars well enough. Hume on 2.99 is a steal and maybe Mountain on 3.30 is even better.

Agreed, they're bargains on that average

[Roger Jacobs]

8 hours ago, Arthur73 said:

I wonder if the last 2 spaces could be filled with Zagar and Craig Cook?

I feel as if Ipswich (and others) haven't utilised the 25% decrease for rising stars well enough. Hume on 2.99 is a steal and maybe Mountain on 3.30 is even better.

I thought that Hume is no longer a Rising Star?

However, Mountain, even if not an RS, must be on someone's shopping list?

[therefused]

56 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said:

I thought that Hume is no longer a Rising Star?

However, Mountain, even if not an RS, must be on someone's shopping list?

Neither are rising stars, but because they were this year they have 25% reduction on their average. 

[Falcon1983]

1 hour ago, therefused said:

Neither are rising stars, but because they were this year they have 25% reduction on their average. 

25% deduction only counts if they are still eligible for the Rising Star scheme but not used as a RS

Mountain and Hume have to make do with the standard 2.5% brit reduction
 

Would Zagar and Hans fit the final two spots?  I am not sure why I am even suggesting that because the budget has gone on Doyle and they are just hoping riders find improvement such as King, Riss etc. so any rider in the guise of Zagar, Holder, Shamek etc. are all not on the shopping list

 

[foreverblue]

20 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said:

25% deduction only counts if they are still eligible for the Rising Star scheme but not used as a RS

Mountain and Hume have to make do with the standard 2.5% brit reduction
 

Would Zagar and Hans fit the final two spots?  I am not sure why I am even suggesting that because the budget has gone on Doyle and they are just hoping riders find improvement such as King, Riss etc. so any rider in the guise of Zagar, Holder, Shamek etc. are all not on the shopping list

 

So you are saying Brennan could have been used as a RS. I think he would have been if he could have been.

[Arch Stanton]

23 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said:

25% deduction only counts if they are still eligible for the Rising Star scheme but not used as a RS

Mountain and Hume have to make do with the standard 2.5% brit reduction
 

Would Zagar and Hans fit the final two spots?  I am not sure why I am even suggesting that because the budget has gone on Doyle and they are just hoping riders find improvement such as King, Riss etc. so any rider in the guise of Zagar, Holder, Shamek etc. are all not on the shopping list

 

 

2 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

So you are saying Brennan could have been used as a RS. I think he would have been if he could have been.

Yep pretty sure you’ve got this one wrong Falcon. 

[blue witch]

2 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

So you are saying Brennan could have been used as a RS. I think he would have been if he could have been.

Think he's trying to say because he's too good to be a RS but he's still eligible through age they've given his average a 25% reduction to help him gain a team place

[foreverblue]

6 minutes ago, blue witch said:

Think he's trying to say because he's too good to be a RS but he's still eligible through age they've given his average a 25% reduction to help him gain a team place

So he is saying Hume and Mountain can't have the 25% because they are older. Surely it has to be based on experience as well as age.

Edited December 14, 2022 by foreverblue

[Arch Stanton]

There’s absolutely no way they can give one rider who was in the RS scheme last year a 25% reduction but not others. The criteria for getting in the scheme in the first place is often a cause for debate, but it simply has to be all of them or none of them getting a reduction when they hop out of it. 

[Falcon1983]

51 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

There’s absolutely no way they can give one rider who was in the RS scheme last year a 25% reduction but not others. The criteria for getting in the scheme in the first place is often a cause for debate, but it simply has to be all of them or none of them getting a reduction when they hop out of it. 

This is a typical speedway reply but based on what I have been told by someone who promotes in the championship

Brennan although in terms of age etc. has the criteria for the RS scheme, his on track performance has seen him graduate out of it, Belle Vue thus can't use Brennan as a RS this season but benefit from the reduction has he is now in the 1-6 of the team i.e. not a rising star though still has the age/experience criteria

Mountain & Hume no longer qualify for the RS scheme so will not have the benefit of 25% reduction for getting a team place, if they had still qualified for the system but had graduated from it in terms of performances last season then they would get the 25% reduction

Right or Wrong, promoters see things differently I would say, and I guess until one is used in a side we will not know for sure as the rules have zero clarity.

Based on that I guess someone like Flint could have been used in the 1-6 at Wolves with a 25% discount but based on his 2022

This has confused me even writing the explanation down where is the SCB when you need them

[Arch Stanton]

7 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said:

This is a typical speedway reply but based on what I have been told by someone who promotes in the championship

Brennan although in terms of age etc. has the criteria for the RS scheme, his on track performance has seen him graduate out of it, Belle Vue thus can't use Brennan as a RS this season but benefit from the reduction has he is now in the 1-6 of the team i.e. not a rising star though still has the age/experience criteria

Mountain & Hume no longer qualify for the RS scheme so will not have the benefit of 25% reduction for getting a team place, if they had still qualified for the system but had graduated from it in terms of performances last season then they would get the 25% reduction

Right or Wrong, promoters see things differently I would say, and I guess until one is used in a side we will not know for sure as the rules have zero clarity.

Based on that I guess someone like Flint could have been used in the 1-6 at Wolves with a 25% discount but based on his 2022

This has confused me even writing the explanation down where is the SCB when you need them

And what is the criteria for that? 4.5 average or over? Over 5? Or any other random figure they’re seemingly plucking out of their @rses? 
 

Oh apologies by the way for the “typical speedway reply”. I’ll try to do better in future. 

[Bagpuss]

1 minute ago, Arch Stanton said:

And what is the criteria for that? 4.5 average or over? Over 5? Or any other random figure they’re seemingly plucking out of their @rses? 
 

Oh apologies by the way for the “typical speedway reply”. I’ll try to do better in future. 

I assumed Falcon was referring to his own reply to you.....

[therefused]

BSPA just need to post everyones starting average for the year, including all rising stars, would cut a lot of this nonsense out. 

[Arch Stanton]

5 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

I assumed Falcon was referring to his own reply to you.....

If that’s the case then apologies for the sarcasm. Quickly delete your post and I’ll do likewise before he sees it

Edited December 14, 2022 by Arch Stanton

[Falcon1983]

15 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

If that’s the case then apologies for the sarcasm. Quickly delete your post and I’ll do likewise before he sees it

Bagpuss is spot on I was meaning my reply would be typical Speedway

I am not sure what I have been told makes sense, I guess on one hand if you have a rider who is a RS like Brennan who could still qualify for it, its better if he progresses to take him out of it for a start he will likely be on better money as he's out of the RS system, so there must be an incentive to take him out and run him in the 1-6, so I see the 25% deduction as fair

With others say Hume, he rode well at times last season and people could argue he maybe deserves a chance and I personally believe he deserves to be incentivised for someone to take a chance but maybe promoters want to look at other options as they don't think he will progress any further and there are better options in the 1-6

My other question would be, what happens if Brennan has a poor season, can he go back into the RS scheme in 2024? if he meets the criteria

[tellboy]

34 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

And what is the criteria for that? 4.5 average or over? Over 5? Or any other random figure they’re seemingly plucking out of their @rses? 
 

Oh apologies by the way for the “typical speedway reply”. I’ll try to do better in future. 

Pretty there was a figure when the rising star scheme was introduced.