89buttons Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) On 7/23/2023 at 7:47 AM, cowboy cookie returns? said: Personally I wouldn’t have King in there far to frustrating & goes missing when you need him in key heats Expand I agree but equally I just accept any team to put together he’ll be in it cos he’s never not going to be. I’ve kind of made me peace with king letting us down too tbh, while it feels like he lets us down I’m not sure he does. he is what he is a solid middle order man, he’s never been a real top rider and he’s never going to be we hope and expect for him be better than he is, but you can’t have 5 no 1’s in a team tho can you, have to try build the best around Doyle and Emil if they both want to be back Edited July 23, 2023 by 89buttons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 I don't know why,, but most fans seem to think Danny as a 6 to 6.5 rider is consistently going to score like a 9 point rider. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 On 7/23/2023 at 5:33 PM, Baldyman said: I don't know why,, but most fans seem to think Danny as a 6 to 6.5 rider is consistently going to score like a 9 point rider. Expand yep agree not realistic, and not really realistic to think he’s going to make another step up in his level now at middle thirties 20 years into a career He doesn’t help himself with interviews like earlier in the season where he reckons he’s gonna be pushing Emil and Jason tho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 On 7/23/2023 at 3:22 PM, Ald64 said: Yes a lot up the air so a lot to look out for in the close season.Wish it could be different with more confidence going forward for British Speedway. Expand I'm told promoters have already met and discussed ( and agreed??) the league format for 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 On 7/23/2023 at 7:09 PM, 89buttons said: yep agree not realistic, and not really realistic to think he’s going to make another step up in his level now at middle thirties 20 years into a career He doesn’t help himself with interviews like earlier in the season where he reckons he’s gonna be pushing Emil and Jason tho Expand What would you expect him to say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) On 7/23/2023 at 7:45 PM, Skidder1 said: What would you expect him to say? Expand I'm gonna try my hardest like I always have done,,, and if all goes well I am hoping to have a good season,, which will hopefully see my average improve slightly,, which will benefit the team. Edited July 23, 2023 by Baldyman 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/23/2023 at 7:45 PM, Skidder1 said: What would you expect him to say? Expand It’s great to have guys if that calibre in the team, watching how they go about business inspires you to push yourself and be the best you can be to back them up. something like that rather than “I’m going to push them for the no.1 jacket” 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siggysigalos Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/23/2023 at 7:47 AM, cowboy cookie returns? said: Personally I wouldn’t have King in there far to frustrating & goes missing when you need him in key heats Expand Please not Danny King Again.......Yes it's been a failure this season and that could include a trophy in the Knockout Cup, but please don't put me througjh those winter months of knowing Danny King returns. Time to freshen things up surely, including the end of a terrible reign as Manager in Ritchie Hawkins. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) On 7/24/2023 at 9:38 AM, siggysigalos said: Please not Danny King Again.......Yes it's been a failure this season and that could include a trophy in the Knockout Cup, but please don't put me througjh those winter months of knowing Danny King returns. Time to freshen things up surely, including the end of a terrible reign as Manager in Ritchie Hawkins. Expand I don't get the negativity about Danny King. He's in the 1-7 as 3rd heat leader and pretty much scoring his average or above regularly? So many posters complain about teams changing every year with no continuity, but here you have a local, established rider doing what he was brought in to do!! Have a (rightful?) go at the management and team building!! Edited July 24, 2023 by Skidder1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/24/2023 at 11:09 AM, Skidder1 said: I don't get the negativity about Danny King. He's in the 1-7 as 3rd heat leader and pretty much scoring his average or above regularly? So many posters complain about teams changing every year with no continuity, but here you have a local, established rider doing what he was brought in to do!! Have a (rightful?) go at the management and team building!! Expand But the reality is different. He loses to riders he shouldn't be losing to, especially at home and it always appears to be in those meetings where a few points more would secure a victory rather than a loss - no good getting a 15pt maximum if they win by 30 points only to score 4 the next week when they lose by 2. It's not an averages thing at all but a consistency thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/24/2023 at 1:12 PM, SPEEDY69 said: But the reality is different. He loses to riders he shouldn't be losing to, especially at home and it always appears to be in those meetings where a few points more would secure a victory rather than a loss - no good getting a 15pt maximum if they win by 30 points only to score 4 the next week when they lose by 2. It's not an averages thing at all but a consistency thing. Expand All riders lose to riders they shouldnt now and again, maybe your expectations are too high, he will have bad meetings but he is the third heatleader a tough position in the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/24/2023 at 1:12 PM, SPEEDY69 said: But the reality is different. He loses to riders he shouldn't be losing to, especially at home and it always appears to be in those meetings where a few points more would secure a victory rather than a loss - no good getting a 15pt maximum if they win by 30 points only to score 4 the next week when they lose by 2. It's not an averages thing at all but a consistency thing. Expand And the number of times he rides the wrong lines especially at home on a track where he has spent so much of his career. Also does have the habit of dropping vital points when the chips are down. the number of times we have said before the tapes go up King will mess this up & doesn’t normally disappoint. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/24/2023 at 11:09 AM, Skidder1 said: I don't get the negativity about Danny King. He's in the 1-7 as 3rd heat leader and pretty much scoring his average or above regularly? So many posters complain about teams changing every year with no continuity, but here you have a local, established rider doing what he was brought in to do!! Have a (rightful?) go at the management and team building!! Expand It’s a shame but King has become the fall guy for years of failure at Foxhall. He’s been a great servant and the failure to win anything as a team certainly hasn’t been his fault, but the groans on the terraces have grown louder the last couple of years so I think it’s best for all concerned if they both have a fresh break. Probably won’t happen though.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 Get the team selection right,, and as a 2 or 4 he will be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/24/2023 at 2:39 PM, Baldyman said: Get the team selection right,, and as a 2 or 4 he will be fine Expand Yes, a bit like Steve Worrall at Wolves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/24/2023 at 11:09 AM, Skidder1 said: I don't get the negativity about Danny King. He's in the 1-7 as 3rd heat leader and pretty much scoring his average or above regularly? So many posters complain about teams changing every year with no continuity, but here you have a local, established rider doing what he was brought in to do!! Have a (rightful?) go at the management and team building!! Expand Yet, as pointed out by several people, King himself made the (daft) claim that he could push Doyle & Sayfutdinov - while the alternative statements suggested by those people make much more sense. Those who say "he's scoring his average" exercise the cognitive dissonance of accepting a contribution that clearly needs to be better for the team to be successful. King's performances in the tough Heats 13 & 15 over recent seasons have been 5.0-6.0 average compared to his overall 6.5-7.0 average, which shows he can't raise his game when necessary. It would be interesting to check his scores in Heat 12 this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarBoy Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/24/2023 at 6:32 PM, Roger Jacobs said: Yet, as pointed out by several people, King himself made the (daft) claim that he could push Doyle & Sayfutdinov - while the alternative statements suggested by those people make much more sense. Those who say "he's scoring his average" exercise the cognitive dissonance of accepting a contribution that clearly needs to be better for the team to be successful. King's performances in the tough Heats 13 & 15 over recent seasons have been 5.0-6.0 average compared to his overall 6.5-7.0 average, which shows he can't raise his game when necessary. It would be interesting to check his scores in Heat 12 this season. Expand 3, 0, 0, 1, 3, 2, 1, 1, 3, 3, 3, 2, 1, 0, 1, 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/24/2023 at 6:32 PM, Roger Jacobs said: Yet, as pointed out by several people, King himself made the (daft) claim that he could push Doyle & Sayfutdinov - while the alternative statements suggested by those people make much more sense. Those who say "he's scoring his average" exercise the cognitive dissonance of accepting a contribution that clearly needs to be better for the team to be successful. King's performances in the tough Heats 13 & 15 over recent seasons have been 5.0-6.0 average compared to his overall 6.5-7.0 average, which shows he can't raise his game when necessary. It would be interesting to check his scores in Heat 12 this season. Expand As third heat leader, one might question why he's in heats13 and 15?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin bass Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/24/2023 at 7:06 PM, Skidder1 said: As third heat leader, one might question why he's in heats13 and 15?? Expand In previous yrs not this yr, King normally catches heats 10/12, and there the heats he goes missing from time to time and gets beat by riders he should be beating home and away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/24/2023 at 11:09 AM, Skidder1 said: I don't get the negativity about Danny King. He's in the 1-7 as 3rd heat leader and pretty much scoring his average or above regularly? So many posters complain about teams changing every year with no continuity, but here you have a local, established rider doing what he was brought in to do!! Have a (rightful?) go at the management and team building!! Expand Trouble is he crumbles under pressure. He has conceded 5x 5-1s at home this season. Also for Redcar he never seems to perform in the big heats. also has a habit of racing his own teammates and can’t team ride or even look for his partner. Over the years he has been a tremendous asset to the club but the time has come to move on for both parties. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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