GeneralMelchett Posted June 14, 2023 Report Share Posted June 14, 2023 26 minutes ago, Baldyman said: So if he scores 8 then he scores 8 so two per race,, who gives a monkey if he finishes behind his partner in every race,,,, his score is 8 His bank manager might! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted June 14, 2023 Report Share Posted June 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Baldyman said: So if he scores 8 then he scores 8 so two per race,, who gives a monkey if he finishes behind his partner in every race,,,, his score is 8 Would be interesting I suppose seeing the riders slowing down to finish behind their partner every race. That undefeated 8 point man would be a highly sought after signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted June 14, 2023 Report Share Posted June 14, 2023 But it doesn't happen though does it,,, ya talking twaddle,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted June 14, 2023 Report Share Posted June 14, 2023 I’m really worried that Louis has now wasted the golden chance that having Doyle & Emil in the same team provided. signing a weak R/S because of a pre season injury to your first choice is one thing but making the same mistake twice is madness, While also agreeing to allow the strong option that is your asset to sign for one of your rivals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted June 14, 2023 Report Share Posted June 14, 2023 3 hours ago, Baldyman said: But it doesn't happen though does it,,, ya talking twaddle,, No, having averages based on your suggestion is, which is why it's not been done here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 14, 2023 Report Share Posted June 14, 2023 2 hours ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: I’m really worried that Louis has now wasted the golden chance that having Doyle & Emil in the same team provided. signing a weak R/S because of a pre season injury to your first choice is one thing but making the same mistake twice is madness, While also agreeing to allow the strong option that is your asset to sign for one of your rivals. Don't think the asset position comes into it for the RS aside from pre season first pick option After that it's free reign from the list I believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 14, 2023 Report Share Posted June 14, 2023 4 hours ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: I’m really worried that Louis has now wasted the golden chance that having Doyle & Emil in the same team provided. signing a weak R/S because of a pre season injury to your first choice is one thing but making the same mistake twice is madness, While also agreeing to allow the strong option that is your asset to sign for one of your rivals. 2 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Don't think the asset position comes into it for the RS aside from pre season first pick option After that it's free reign from the list I believe I think his main point is Ipswich not using a rider who is stronger than both options they've gone with - poor team building. The fact that Kemp is their asset, just makes it worse! I've not read any rule about "picks" for the RS positions, as far as I'm aware, they got signed the same way any rider does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 14, 2023 Report Share Posted June 14, 2023 14 hours ago, Arch Stanton said: I do think the RS system should be shelved next year though. I understand the reasons for bringing it in to help the youngsters along, but I’m not convinced it adds anything positive to a meeting. Poor old Joe lined up on Monday in one heat against Musielak, King and Kerr and was obviously miles behind. Against Leicester he lined up against Emil, Harris and Sedgmen etc etc. he’s nowhere near that standard and neither are the majority of the others so it can’t be good for morale and confidence when you’re finishing half a lap behind the others. Fans don’t want to see that either. Needs binning. I don't think the RS system is at fault for riders being out of their depth, it's the clubs themselves who have signed Championship reserves to step up before they are ready (Joe T & Mulford). Flint, Kemp, Rowe, Thomas, Dan T, Jenkins, Edwards, Bailey & Gilkes were all 4+ Champ riders (close enough) so there are 9 "rising stars" for 6 spots, who are strong enough for the role imo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted June 15, 2023 Report Share Posted June 15, 2023 17 hours ago, Baldyman said: So if he scores 8 then he scores 8 so two per race,, who gives a monkey if he finishes behind his partner in every race,,,, his score is 8 You are absolutely right that his score is only 8, but bonus points show a rider’s true worth to his team. If you’ve got a rider who is scoring lots of bonus points then this implies he is running very little last places. Those are the riders you want as second strings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted June 15, 2023 Report Share Posted June 15, 2023 7 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I don't think the RS system is at fault for riders being out of their depth, it's the clubs themselves who have signed Championship reserves to step up before they are ready (Joe T & Mulford). Flint, Kemp, Rowe, Thomas, Dan T, Jenkins, Edwards, Bailey & Gilkes were all 4+ Champ riders (close enough) so there are 9 "rising stars" for 6 spots, who are strong enough for the role imo! ALL of them are still out of their depth in some of the heats they end up in. In some heats you may as well run with three riders because you know who’s coming last. An NDL rider who does well will always then get opportunities in the Championship, and Championship riders who do well will then always get opportunities in the Premiership. That’s the way it should be in my opinion. There’s too big a gap in the standard of SOME Premiership races. There’s even a big gap between some Premiership clubs reserves and their Rising Star. It’s a nonsense and needs binning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 15, 2023 Report Share Posted June 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: ALL of them are still out of their depth in some of the heats they end up in. In some heats you may as well run with three riders because you know who’s coming last. An NDL rider who does well will always then get opportunities in the Championship, and Championship riders who do well will then always get opportunities in the Premiership. That’s the way it should be in my opinion. There’s too big a gap in the standard of SOME Premiership races. There’s even a big gap between some Premiership clubs reserves and their Rising Star. It’s a nonsense and needs binning. Spot on The rising star scheme principle is great but should be at Championship level first If used in the Premiership it should be for Championship second string level 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted June 15, 2023 Report Share Posted June 15, 2023 53 minutes ago, Najjer said: You are absolutely right that his score is only 8, but bonus points show a rider’s true worth to his team. If you’ve got a rider who is scoring lots of bonus points then this implies he is running very little last places. Those are the riders you want as second strings. Batch last year was a good example of this - mosty BPs for the Witches and almost the rest of the league I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted June 15, 2023 Report Share Posted June 15, 2023 12 hours ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: signing a weak R/S because of a pre season injury to your first choice is one thing but making the same mistake twice is madness, It's not possible to make the same mistake twice.. the 2nd time is a choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted June 15, 2023 Report Share Posted June 15, 2023 1 minute ago, 2ndbendbeerhut said: It's not possible to make the same mistake twice.. the 2nd time is a choice. I think oscar wilde said it was careless! however last night Dan got 3 and Joe 0 for Birmingham at Oxford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted June 15, 2023 Report Share Posted June 15, 2023 19 minutes ago, GeneralMelchett said: Batch last year was a good example of this - mosty BPs for the Witches and almost the rest of the league I think I was one of the few that wanted Batch back. He was averaging more than King and Riss for most of the season, but a poor end to the year made his average look like he didn’t have a good season because of the way the averages are calculated. For me he was on a good average to return. Hopefully he gets fixed up soon in the Championship and then possibly the Premiership before the cut off… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted June 15, 2023 Report Share Posted June 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: I was one of the few that wanted Batch back. He was averaging more than King and Riss for most of the season, but a poor end to the year made his average look like he didn’t have a good season because of the way the averages are calculated. For me he was on a good average to return. Hopefully he gets fixed up soon in the Championship and then possibly the Premiership before the cut off… Like you i would have been happy for him to have been back - I know a some don't like him but I feel he had overall a good season last year for the Witches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 15, 2023 Report Share Posted June 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Arch Stanton said: ALL of them are still out of their depth in some of the heats they end up in. In some heats you may as well run with three riders because you know who’s coming last. An NDL rider who does well will always then get opportunities in the Championship, and Championship riders who do well will then always get opportunities in the Premiership. That’s the way it should be in my opinion. There’s too big a gap in the standard of SOME Premiership races. There’s even a big gap between some Premiership clubs reserves and their Rising Star. It’s a nonsense and needs binning. We'll have to agree to disagree then. I do feel the RS system should be in both the Champ & Prem though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted June 15, 2023 Report Share Posted June 15, 2023 13 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: We'll have to agree to disagree then. I do feel the RS system should be in both the Champ & Prem though. The absurdity is that it doesn't exist in the Championship, the place where if could be of most benefit. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted June 15, 2023 Report Share Posted June 15, 2023 1 hour ago, GeneralMelchett said: Batch last year was a good example of this - mosty BPs for the Witches and almost the rest of the league I think League matches (inc play-offs) joint 1st with Richie Worrall 26 each 3rd Connor Mountain 24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBSN Posted June 15, 2023 Report Share Posted June 15, 2023 On 6/14/2023 at 9:38 AM, szkocjasid said: The problem with race suits, is when one of the team doesn't wear one & stands out & looks really bad - wouldn't be noticeable of teams were race jackets. So if they have to have team suits - then you've gotta enforce that ruling imo Joe had a racesuit at the beginning of the season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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