Ipswich 2023

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On 1/13/2023 at 4:23 PM, Diamonds85 said:

No offence to Matej, he's one of my all time favourite riders... BUT he is no replacement for Emil, not anymore

In the UK league there wouldn’t be much between them but I agree elsewhere. 

On 1/13/2023 at 8:00 PM, Baldyman said:

Wouldn't bring me in,,, 

Nor me.

[Racin Jason 72]

I’m surprised dudek hasn’t been mentioned.  He is interested in the uk. Providing his financial terms are met. Another top quality rider who would be tremendous for Ipswich. 

[Baldyman]

46 minutes ago, Racin Jason 72 said:

I’m surprised dudek hasn’t been mentioned.  He is interested in the uk. Providing his financial terms are met. Another top quality rider who would be tremendous for Ipswich. 

I mentioned him months ago,, along with Vaculik 

Edited January 17, 2023 by Baldyman

[kevin bass]

2 hours ago, Racin Jason 72 said:

I’m surprised dudek hasn’t been mentioned.  He is interested in the uk. Providing his financial terms are met. Another top quality rider who would be tremendous for Ipswich. 

I'm sure it was mentioned b4 either on this thread or another one that Dudek was after summit like 6k a meeting guaranteed, whether that's true or not who knows.

[Arch Stanton]

6 hours ago, kevin bass said:

I'm sure it was mentioned b4 either on this thread or another one that Dudek was after summit like 6k a meeting guaranteed, whether that's true or not who knows.

156 grand over the season. Nobody is paying that kind of money if those demands are true. Better off chucking Rasmus Jensen his 20k to set up in the Uk and then a decent pounds for points contract. Would probably come to half of that 156k. 

[Daniel Smith]

4 hours ago, Arch Stanton said:

156 grand over the season. Nobody is paying that kind of money if those demands are true. Better off chucking Rasmus Jensen his 20k to set up in the Uk and then a decent pounds for points contract. Would probably come to half of that 156k. 

I think a lot of fans don't understand the costs of a top class rider. Jason Doyle won't be far behind those numbers & Ipswich chasing Emil who also will be on or close to those numbers. 

£650 per point based on a just over 9 average isn't such an unreasonable demand for such high quality is it?? 

[kevin bass]

The top GP boys no doubt are on top money if the rumours from last season were correct and that Lambert was on 5k a meeting for Belle Vue, but it's the guaranteed bit i don't like about these deals, no riders gonna bust a gut if he gets paid the same if he scores 2 points or 12 points.

[PhilTheAce]

2 minutes ago, kevin bass said:

The top GP boys no doubt are on top money if the rumours from last season were correct and that Lambert was on 5k a meeting for Belle Vue, but it's the guaranteed bit i don't like about these deals, no riders gonna bust a gut if he gets paid the same if he scores 2 points or 12 points.

Think it was more 6k a meeting 

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23 hours ago, Steve Irving said:

Waiting on a visa? I’d say that all but confirms it isn’t Ritchie Worrall..

On the other hand it's about 95% of non British riders. A big net to cast.

[Diamonds85]

1 hour ago, PhilTheAce said:

Think it was more 6k a meeting 

Good job he only done a meeting then...

[Roger Jacobs]

18 minutes ago, Diamonds85 said:

Good job he only done a meeting then...

4 meetings ...

And I'm sure BV covered it with the prize money

Edited January 18, 2023 by Roger Jacobs

[Roger Jacobs]

2 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

I think a lot of fans don't understand the costs of a top class rider. Jason Doyle won't be far behind those numbers & Ipswich chasing Emil who also will be on or close to those numbers. 

£650 per point based on a just over 9 average isn't such an unreasonable demand for such high quality is it?? 

Compared to what, though?

If we had any idea of pay and costs, we might be able to make our own "value" judgements.

200 season tickets at £250 nets Ipswich £50,000 up front. Maybe as many as 700 adults paying £22 admission nets £15,400 per home match. Concessions (£225 & £20) not counted in either of those guesses. 13 guaranteed home team fixtures gives roughly a total of £250,000 income for the year.

Stadium rental, wages for Chris Louis - at least costs and expenses (and for Ritchie Hawkins?) - plus seven riders (at £30k each that's £210k!) and miscellaneous costs (maintenance of track equipment, safety fence, etc.). Everything else, voluntary and good will ...

I've never tried to do these sums before - obviously it's all guesses - but it's clear that there's no money in the sport ...

[Daniel Smith]

11 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said:

Compared to what, though?

If we had any idea of pay and costs, we might be able to make our own "value" judgements.

200 season tickets at £250 nets Ipswich £50,000 up front. Maybe as many as 700 adults paying £22 admission nets £15,400 per home match. Concessions (£225 & £20) not counted in either of those guesses. 13 guaranteed home team fixtures gives roughly a total of £250,000 income for the year.

Stadium rental, wages for Chris Louis - at least costs and expenses (and for Ritchie Hawkins?) - plus seven riders (at £30k each that's £210k!) and miscellaneous costs (maintenance of track equipment, safety fence, etc.). Everything else, voluntary and good will ...

I've never tried to do these sums before - obviously it's all guesses - but it's clear that there's no money in the sport ...

Don't forget team sponsorship can net anywhere between £70,000 - £100,000 a season. It's quite possible Guy Nicholls would go beyond that. 

[Najjer]

4 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

I think a lot of fans don't understand the costs of a top class rider. Jason Doyle won't be far behind those numbers & Ipswich chasing Emil who also will be on or close to those numbers. 

£650 per point based on a just over 9 average isn't such an unreasonable demand for such high quality is it?? 

That’s the sort of figures I remember it being quoted at the time that Jason Doyle was on at Somerset - which effectively started the downward spiral of the club beginning to close.

[Daniel Smith]

32 minutes ago, Najjer said:

That’s the sort of figures I remember it being quoted at the time that Jason Doyle was on at Somerset - which effectively started the downward spiral of the club beginning to close.

Great track that deserved top league status but unfortunately took the jump to early. 

Don't think it was just being in the top league that was the downfall, something wasn't quite right with the Hancocks, they always talked a good game but always gave the impression they'd sell the land eventually for huge profits 

[stu219]

4 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said:

Compared to what, though?

If we had any idea of pay and costs, we might be able to make our own "value" judgements.

200 season tickets at £250 nets Ipswich £50,000 up front. Maybe as many as 700 adults paying £22 admission nets £15,400 per home match. Concessions (£225 & £20) not counted in either of those guesses. 13 guaranteed home team fixtures gives roughly a total of £250,000 income for the year.

Stadium rental, wages for Chris Louis - at least costs and expenses (and for Ritchie Hawkins?) - plus seven riders (at £30k each that's £210k!) and miscellaneous costs (maintenance of track equipment, safety fence, etc.). Everything else, voluntary and good will ...

I've never tried to do these sums before - obviously it's all guesses - but it's clear that there's no money in the sport ...

Also don’t forget(many seem to) that out of the admission money 20% goes straight to the tax man via VAT

[Daniel Smith]

17 minutes ago, stu219 said:

Also don’t forget(many seem to) that out of the admission money 20% goes straight to the tax man via VAT

I bet it doesn't 

[Roger Jacobs]

5 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

Don't forget team sponsorship can net anywhere between £70,000 - £100,000 a season. It's quite possible Guy Nicholls would go beyond that. 

I love it how you state "anywhere between £70,000 - £100,000 a season" with such confidence. Does sponsorship really start at £70K? LOL! 

I stand by my point that there's no money in the sport - the clubs are heavily reliant on cash flow from paying customers, but continue to treat those customers as a source of income to be used, rather than as customers who must be entertained and, at least, retained.

Edited January 18, 2023 by Roger Jacobs

[Roger Jacobs]

2 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

Great track that deserved top league status but unfortunately took the jump to early. 

Don't think it was just being in the top league that was the downfall, something wasn't quite right with the Hancocks, they always talked a good game but always gave the impression they'd sell the land eventually for huge profits 

Why too early?  What else could they achieve in the Championship?  They made an ambitious decision, and are absolute proof that simply by signing a "big name" doesn't guarantee increased customers. I bet that even now, if you walked in Ipswich and asked passers-by who Jason Doyle is, a very high percentage of people wouldn't know.

Somerset still kept going after that failure, it was the lockdown that ended their existence earlier than it might have. The owners themselves said it was a huge effort just to keep the club running, so they probably (rightly) thought it would be a massive and thankless task to get the Rebels up and running again, especially with a shedload of dosh on the table for the land. They would have been daft not to sell.

[kevin bass]

22 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said:

I love it how you state "anywhere between £70,000 - £100,000 a season" with such confidence. Does sponsorship really start at £70K? LOL! 

I stand by my point that there's no money in the sport - the clubs are heavily reliant on cash flow from paying customers, but continue to treat those customers as a source of income to be used, rather than as customers who must be entertained and, at least, retained.

It could well be that much these days, going back many yrs when Tim Woodward sponsored the Witches his money would cover the stadium rent for the season which was probably 20k-30k.