Skidder1 Posted October 5, 2022 Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 6 hours ago, Col said: Has there actually been any indication that whatever Polish authority blocks riders in their league from riding for a certain number of other teams will be lifted? announced today - see seperate thread!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted October 5, 2022 Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 2 hours ago, hyderd said: where's Bewley to Oxford come from. Apparently they wanted him if they come up and Bewley was going to accept the deal. Which was big money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP Posted October 5, 2022 Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 57 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: announced today - see seperate thread!! Interesting that the polish league has announced that thursdays will now be an official race day for any rained off meetings and will take preference on uk meetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted October 5, 2022 Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 59 minutes ago, DBP said: Interesting that the polish league has announced that thursdays will now be an official race day for any rained off meetings and will take preference on uk meetings Surely doesn't stop a Prem fixture from going ahead using r/r &/or guests depending on who is missing. Is it likely that Prem clubs are going to be inundated with 'top' riders? If so they will likely bankrupt themselves!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 5, 2022 Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 3 hours ago, Skidder1 said: Surely doesn't stop a Prem fixture from going ahead using r/r &/or guests depending on who is missing. Is it likely that Prem clubs are going to be inundated with 'top' riders? If so they will likely bankrupt themselves!! Suspect there will be an agreed limit per team on Ekstraliga riders with a Prem average of above a certain level... And it would be sensible to not sign to riders who ride for the same Ekstraliga team. Surely British Speedway has not agreed to play second fiddle to lower Polish leagues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerback Posted October 6, 2022 Report Share Posted October 6, 2022 18 hours ago, Col said: Suspect there will be an agreed limit per team on Ekstraliga riders with a Prem average of above a certain level... And it would be sensible to not sign to riders who ride for the same Ekstraliga team. Surely British Speedway has not agreed to play second fiddle to lower Polish leagues? Let's be honest British speedway signed a deal with an engine manufacturer and that worked well then signed a deal for tyres you can't use at Peterbrough as they fall apart I'm guessing we will be behind Poland under 11,s in the pecking order 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted October 8, 2022 Report Share Posted October 8, 2022 On 10/5/2022 at 9:04 AM, ouch said: Don’t forget the British 2.5% reduction. Dan’s average will come down to 8.91 (from 9.14). Robert had his reduced (7.81 to 7.61) when he signed for us. When he rides in the Kings Lynn fixture his rolling average will alter giving him a 2022 average which will then have next seasons 2.5% reduction. Probably end up around 7.40. 32.50 used up on Dan, Robert, Jaimon, Norick and Tom. It’s just a case then of seeing the rules re RS and points limit for the other two. I expect a big reduction in team building limits as this always happens if the Aces finish high, been like that for decades. We certainly won’t see any of the, keep the same team stuff cooked up by the BSPL/BSF cartel in times gone by. Dodgy as. Lambert's 7.81 ave (7.61 with reduction) is based on his last 20 matches. If he rides against Lynn his final ave will then be based on his last 9 matches from 2019 & the Lynn fixture. Could change a lot! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted October 8, 2022 Report Share Posted October 8, 2022 On 10/5/2022 at 9:49 AM, PhilTheAce said: I’ve heard all rising stars will get a 25% reduction on there starting average. As anyone else heard same. brennan will start on 4.40 if true When the RS rules were introduced, it was stated when a rider was no longer a "rising star" he would get a 25% reduction on his ave (to help them get a team place after improving enough to no longer qualify). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted October 8, 2022 Report Share Posted October 8, 2022 It never happened in the Championship at the start of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted October 8, 2022 Report Share Posted October 8, 2022 46 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Lambert's 7.81 ave (7.61 with reduction) is based on his last 20 matches. If he rides against Lynn his final ave will then be based on his last 9 matches from 2019 & the Lynn fixture. Could change a lot! How come Jakobsen's average doesn't change if he misses the Belle Vue match,weren't they rolling averages from 2018? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted October 8, 2022 Report Share Posted October 8, 2022 7 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Lambert's 7.81 ave (7.61 with reduction) is based on his last 20 matches. If he rides against Lynn his final ave will then be based on his last 9 matches from 2019 & the Lynn fixture. Could change a lot! 6 hours ago, tellboy said: How come Jakobsen's average doesn't change if he misses the Belle Vue match,weren't they rolling averages from 2018? The rolling aves are from the last 3 seasons, 19,21,22. So anyone with an average from 2018 wouldn't use those figures for a rolling ave, would need to race 3 home & 3 away to gain a new ave. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted October 8, 2022 Report Share Posted October 8, 2022 6 hours ago, IronScorpion said: It never happened in the Championship at the start of the season. I suppose that's because no riders moved out if the RS criteria, they just dropped the RS rule (after 1 year of their 5 year plan)! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 8, 2022 Report Share Posted October 8, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: I suppose that's because no riders moved out if the RS criteria, they just dropped the RS rule (after 1 year of their 5 year plan)! Indeed... Those five years flew by didn't they? Edit: In the last 20 years or so we have had circa a century worth of five year plans... Edited October 8, 2022 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 8, 2022 Report Share Posted October 8, 2022 1 hour ago, mikebv said: Indeed... Those five years flew by didn't they? Edit: In the last 20 years or so we have had circa a century worth of five year plans... When the RS was introduced I did an extensive article in the Star examining past schemes to encourage young talent. They came along about once every seven years and apart from the odd vestigial trace all had disappeared within two years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted October 9, 2022 Report Share Posted October 9, 2022 20 hours ago, IronScorpion said: It never happened in the Championship at the start of the season. 14 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I suppose that's because no riders moved out if the RS criteria, they just dropped the RS rule (after 1 year of their 5 year plan)! 13 hours ago, mikebv said: Indeed... Those five years flew by didn't they? Edit: In the last 20 years or so we have had circa a century worth of five year plans... 11 hours ago, arnieg said: When the RS was introduced I did an extensive article in the Star examining past schemes to encourage young talent. They came along about once every seven years and apart from the odd vestigial trace all had disappeared within two years. I would think that a few promoters voted against running the RS system in the Championship after 1 year as a few riders exceeded expectations. In the past, riders that do well 1 year find themselves out of a job the next year because they have that dodgy average(normally between 4 & 6) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted October 9, 2022 Report Share Posted October 9, 2022 Just because there is a 5 year (or any number of years) plan doesn't mean that everything in it has to last 5 years!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted October 9, 2022 Report Share Posted October 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Skidder1 said: Just because there is a 5 year (or any number of years) plan doesn't mean that everything in it has to last 5 years!! Why announce a 5 year plan then? They keep doing it also! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 9, 2022 Report Share Posted October 9, 2022 4 hours ago, Skidder1 said: Just because there is a 5 year (or any number of years) plan doesn't mean that everything in it has to last 5 years!! But the plan should last five years... Due to the fact it has been planned to cover five years... Hence... The Name... All five year plans in business have several milestones in them to ensure they remain on track to meet their ultimate aim... Disbanding some of a five year the plan in Year One, then removing it completely in Year Two, could be seen as "a bit radical"... Todays U23 performance shows just how important an effective development system for young riders is for the growth of the sport... A huge gap still exists from the likes of the Poles and the Danes... Going back to filling reserve slots with 4.5 point journeymen foreigners isnt going to help sort that... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 19 hours ago, mikebv said: But the plan should last five years... Due to the fact it has been planned to cover five years... Hence... The Name... All five year plans in business have several milestones in them to ensure they remain on track to meet their ultimate aim... Disbanding some of a five year the plan in Year One, then removing it completely in Year Two, could be seen as "a bit radical"... Todays U23 performance shows just how important an effective development system for young riders is for the growth of the sport... A huge gap still exists from the likes of the Poles and the Danes... Going back to filling reserve slots with 4.5 point journeymen foreigners isn't going to help sort that... Look at the 4 new riders to the Championship in 2022. Fredriksen, Hook, Pearson & Congreve. None of them reached the minimum 4.00 ave for foreigners. Was signing these riders really better than keeping the RS system going? You could argue only Knudsen (on a 5.00) for Berwick was worth signing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers99 Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 If BV sign Lambert next season on a 7.81 average, guaranteed play off spot as will be 10.00+ verging closer to 11.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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