JC! Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 31 minutes ago, iainb said: The tone of Garry's email was that PC had suffered a stroke and wasn't the 'old' PC. He then says the book will stay on his shelf unread again forever... R&R has questioned whether PC's personal appearance should be cancelled! If PC's actions have been exacerbated by a medical condition... where's the humanity and understanding, no he's a "bitter old man" and there's "no excuse for this appalling behaviour". Having watched a family member decline with a brain related illness they were not the person they used to be and instead of treating them how I always had done I had to adapt the way I interacted with them. And again I say, a personal note has been brought into the public domain, which imo it shouldn't have been. The point is that it is not a personal note. It was done at a public book signing, PC put himself out there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gordon Pairman said: Secondly, this was not a “personal note” that PC wrote. It was an inscription made on a book by the author directed at someone who had paid him £20. Condolences on the loss of your friend 1 minute ago, JC! said: The point is that it is not a personal note. It was done at a public book signing, PC put himself out there. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 hours ago, iainb said: Condolences on the loss of your friend I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one I reiterate what PC did was disgraceful and i totally agree it was right that his pathetic action at the public book signing were shared so people could see what a bitter little man PC has become. Unforgivable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 Is this particular point in this thread going to go on and on. More than a few members of the forum have had their say, some more than once. If I was a forum moderator on here I would have closed this thread down by now. I don’t know if there are any moderators on this forum but if there is I for one would welcome you close this thread down 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanCorcoran Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: Is this particular point in this thread going to go on and on. More than a few members of the forum have had their say, some more than once. If I was a forum moderator on here I would have closed this thread down by now. I don’t know if there are any moderators on this forum but if there is I for one would welcome you close this thread down Perfect. Free speech - lets shut it down immediately. I see nothing but facts here personally - and if you don't like what is being said then you should jog on. It would be a pretty pointless forum if every thread was shut down on the basis of somebody not liking what they read. As a close personal friend of Steve's over many years - I am happy that a certain ex-rider is being exposed. And I know Steve's family feel the same way. There is way more to come out about this but might have to be on alternatives platforms if people like you insist on shutting down the truth. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC! Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 30 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: Is this particular point in this thread going to go on and on. More than a few members of the forum have had their say, some more than once. If I was a forum moderator on here I would have closed this thread down by now. I don’t know if there are any moderators on this forum but if there is I for one would welcome you close this thread down You need to get off your high horse, people are discussing matters relating to PC's book (as per thread title) - if you don't like it, move on. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Buck Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) In normal circumstances I would have agreed with Tony MacDonald that personal disputes should be kept private, but this is an exceptional case, and I think it is right and proper that this matter should be brought to everyone's notice, and as someone who has known and respected Steve Casey for over 50 years, I am absolutely appalled at the way that he and his family have been treated, and fully agree with the sentiment that Peter Collins has now lost the admiration and respect that very many speedway supporters once had for him. Edited January 30, 2023 by Brian Buck 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 Are people seriously thinking of cancelling PC from their memory because this? And no, it should not have have made public as this course of action was certain to round up a lynch mob, which it has, inevitably raising the toxic level of debate. Frequently on many Facebook postings and on this forum you will you will see Kenny Carter lauded as a hero - and he was a murderer, but apparently many people are happy to overlook/forgive him for that little misdemeanour. When it comes down to it, this is a squable between just a few people and represents a miniscule, even if unsavoury, footnote to the stellar career of PC, a man who, let me remind you, played a significant role in saving Belle Vue from complete extinction. Presumably we can assume that PC will now never visit Belle Vue, so effectively, this should draw a line under the whole sorry matter and we can all move along. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, keepturningleft said: Are people seriously thinking of cancelling PC from their memory because this? And no, it should not have have made public as this course of action was certain to round up a lynch mob, which it has, inevitably raising the toxic level of debate. Frequently on many Facebook postings and on this forum you will you will see Kenny Carter lauded as a hero - and he was a murderer, but apparently many people are happy to overlook/forgive him for that little misdemeanour. When it comes down to it, this is a squable between just a few people and represents a miniscule, even if unsavoury, footnote to the stellar career of PC, a man who, let me remind you, played a significant role in saving Belle Vue from complete extinction. Presumably we can assume that PC will now never visit Belle Vue, so effectively, this should draw a line under the whole sorry matter and we can all move along. I think PC has effectively cancelled himself with his ridiculous demands of BV and now his disgraceful treatment of Steve Casey. Just shows what a self absorbed little man he really is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Meldrew Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 Does anyone know the details of the conversation between PC and Steve at the book signing? Did Steve appear to be the agent provocatuer at the meeting? There are, of course, two sides to a dispute and we have only heard one side at the present time. We do not know the nature of PC's brain injury - it does not seem to have affected his memory judging by his recollections in his book which is after all his version of events as are all autobiographies. Free admissions for all ex-riders should be provided without the need for any "red tape". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Vic Meldrew said: Does anyone know the details of the conversation between PC and Steve at the book signing? Did Steve appear to be the agent provocatuer at the meeting? There are, of course, two sides to a dispute and we have only heard one side at the present time. We do not know the nature of PC's brain injury - it does not seem to have affected his memory judging by his recollections in his book which is after all his version of events as are all autobiographies. Free admissions for all ex-riders should be provided without the need for any "red tape". Again...very reasonable observations and/or comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Vic Meldrew said: Does anyone know the details of the conversation between PC and Steve at the book signing? Did Steve appear to be the agent provocatuer at the meeting? There are, of course, two sides to a dispute and we have only heard one side at the present time. We do not know the nature of PC's brain injury - it does not seem to have affected his memory judging by his recollections in his book which is after all his version of events as are all autobiographies. Free admissions for all ex-riders should be provided without the need for any "red tape". I don't believe it! Brain injuries aren't just limited to memory, they can leave your memory intact and alter your personality... James Cracknell & Richard Hammond are 2 high profile examples. It's often only those that are closest to the person that will notice this and for others that interact with them they will seem to be "normal". Take a look at this: Edited January 31, 2023 by iainb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC! Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 hours ago, Vic Meldrew said: Does anyone know the details of the conversation between PC and Steve at the book signing? Did Steve appear to be the agent provocatuer at the meeting? There are, of course, two sides to a dispute and we have only heard one side at the present time. We do not know the nature of PC's brain injury - it does not seem to have affected his memory judging by his recollections in his book which is after all his version of events as are all autobiographies. Free admissions for all ex-riders should be provided without the need for any "red tape". Blanket free admission based on what? Certainly not any logic. As for PC (or non-PC may be more appropriate) really think you are clutching at straws here, he needs to do the right thing and apologise. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 hours ago, JC! said: Blanket free admission based on what? Certainly not any logic. As for PC (or non-PC may be more appropriate) really think you are clutching at straws here, he needs to do the right thing and apologise. ....yes but what's your views on all ex-ACU Referees getting free passes to all tracks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC! Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 23 minutes ago, steve roberts said: ....yes but what's your views on all ex-ACU Referees getting free passes to all tracks? Exactly the same principle applies, why should a business allow someone in for free because they used to have a (paid) position for the sport's regulator. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, JC! said: Exactly the same principle applies, why should a business allow someone in for free because they used to have a (paid) position for the sport's regulator. ...and yet ex-referees are apparently able to gain free access to any track? Edited January 31, 2023 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 Yes. Invite them all to the pensioners Xmas party and that is all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 6 hours ago, Vic Meldrew said: Does anyone know the details of the conversation between PC and Steve at the book signing? Did Steve appear to be the agent provocatuer at the meeting? There are, of course, two sides to a dispute and we have only heard one side at the present time. We do not know the nature of PC's brain injury - it does not seem to have affected his memory judging by his recollections in his book which is after all his version of events as are all autobiographies. Free admissions for all ex-riders should be provided without the need for any "red tape". Exactly! Prince Harry is a perfect example of true 'his version of events'! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC! Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 46 minutes ago, steve roberts said: ...and yet ex-referees are apparently able to gain free access to any track? I don't make the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 hours ago, steve roberts said: ....yes but what's your views on all ex-ACU Referees getting free passes to all tracks? Presume it means there might be someone in the crowd who could takeover if the nominated ref fails to make it to the track? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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