moxey63 Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) After several months of pretending that six teams chasing a top four spot is really interesting, the Play-Offs have once more turned into a damp squib. The accident of Belle Vue's Max Fricke while riding for his Polish side nullifies what the play-off finals are meant to be. A side losing one of its main cast ruins the showpiece of the British season that promoters sell to the public. It is like tearing the last page out of a novel. Reading the previous pages was pointless. Even more of a joke, some fans want Belle Vue to sign a temporary rider as a stand in, but that rider will be someone who couldn't be arsed dirtying their gear in Britain in recent years and, what's more, will no doubt turn their noses up next year, too. Try telling that to someone new, even to the TV audience: your own rider was injured while riding in a foreign league, but wait for it, this British guy who rides in foreign leagues but doesn't want to ride over here, will be standing in for him because his he has time now that his other foreign leagues have ended. It does make British speedway feel second-class. Edited September 26, 2022 by moxey63 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 Got to say that with the p. off opposition being from the wettest place on the planet might be sometime before this tie will be settled. Maybe a roof on the “national speedway stadium” would have been a good investment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 59 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said: Got to say that with the p. off opposition being from the wettest place on the planet might be sometime before this tie will be settled. Maybe a roof on the “national speedway stadium” would have been a good investment? Yet had the fewest rain offs. Go figure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie456 Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 hours ago, PhilTheAce said: Not many options. Depending on how you read the rule you can either make a signing or can’t. Hopefully you can. it would have to be someone who doesn’t need a work permit though so only really tai but he’s going aus after Toruń. lambert but will he do it cook but that’s replacing a no1 with a 2nd string right now. NKI as he still has a work permit for over here. Go with RR but that’s never ideal. have basso in at Ipswich who scores paid 26 in his last 2 meetings there although at easier positions as no1 and then get Harris in at NSS. Another crazy option is try and get them to call the cup final off so we can use klindt but obviously that can’t and won’t happen basically. We’re stuffed as usual. We have races 12 play off matches and only put a proper 1-7 out on 4 occasions. What have we done to deserve so much bad luck in play offs In 2017 we went into play offs worse than you losing both Lindgren and Thorssell.We were only allowed to use rr and a guest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, moxey63 said: After several months of pretending that six teams chasing a top four spot is really interesting, the Play-Offs have once more turned into a damp squib. The accident of Belle Vue's Max Fricke while riding for his Polish side nullifies what the play-off finals are meant to be. A side losing one of its main cast ruins the showpiece of the British season that promoters sell to the public. It is like tearing the last page out of a novel. Reading the previous pages was pointless. Even more of a joke, some fans want Belle Vue to sign a temporary rider as a stand in, but that rider will be someone who couldn't be arsed dirtying their gear in Britain in recent years and, what's more, will no doubt turn their noses up next year, too. Try telling that to someone new, even to the TV audience: your own rider was injured while riding in a foreign league, but wait for it, this British guy who rides in foreign leagues but doesn't want to ride over here, will be standing in for him because his he has time now that his other foreign leagues have ended. It does make British speedway feel second-class. Why are you bothered anyway. You don’t attend anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Wolfie456 said: In 2017 we went into play offs worse than you losing both Lindgren and Thorssell.We were only allowed to use rr and a guest. You also brought in a ringer for play offs in 2016. we probably won’t be allowed a replacement. But the rule does say you can for an ending season injury. But it’s how you interpret that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie456 Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 16 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said: You also brought in a ringer for play offs in 2016. we probably won’t be allowed a replacement. But the rule does say you can for an ending season injury. But it’s how you interpret that Wrong he came in well before play offs. Hopefully carnt make special dispensations just because its Belle Vue can we now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 23 minutes ago, Wolfie456 said: In 2017 we went into play offs worse than you losing both Lindgren and Thorssell.We were only allowed to use rr and a guest. To be fair though, the rule was changed because of what you did in 2016, so it was a bit of payback really. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 21 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said: You also brought in a ringer for play offs in 2016. we probably won’t be allowed a replacement. But the rule does say you can for an ending season injury. But it’s how you interpret that Pretty clear isnt it? A "season ending injury" is what Fricke has... Therefore, the Aces should be able to sign a replacement... If they so wish.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Wolfie456 said: Wrong he came in well before play offs. Hopefully carnt make special dispensations just because its Belle Vue can we now. Read the rule book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Wolfie456 said: Wrong he came in well before play offs. Hopefully carnt make special dispensations just because its Belle Vue can we now. Nobody's asking for special dispensation, but the rule clearly (as it always seems to be for speedway) is open to interpretation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Wolfie456 said: Wrong he came in well before play offs. Hopefully carnt make special dispensations just because its Belle Vue can we now. And he came in like 2 matches before play offs. Not long before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said: Why are you bothered anyway. You don’t attend anymore Looking at some of the crowds, the plight of the sport, my not attending isn't killing speedway. It's those that followed me. That parrot is dead. Edited September 26, 2022 by moxey63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie456 Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said: And he came in like 2 matches before play offs. Not long before Wrong again check the fixtures for that season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 Just now, Wolfie456 said: Wrong again check the fixtures for that season. He rode the last 6 matches out of 28 league meetings, hence the 75% rule was brough lt in to stop that happening. He replaced a rider who wasn't injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BV66 Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 Great, all this bickering between speedway fans over the interpretation of the rules. Unfortunately due to the nature of the sport, injured riders as Play-Offs arrive is always likely to happen. For me, a guest should be allowed, if chosen to, but only from riders who have ridden over here most of the season, whose average fits, and the same rider to be used in the home and away fixtures in the Play-Offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BV66 said: For me, a guest should be allowed, if chosen to, but only from riders who have ridden over here most of the season, whose average fits, and the same rider to be used in the home and away fixtures in the Play-Offs. That would rule Harris out then as he can't replace Fricke at Ipswich, but he can at BV due to his average. Edited September 26, 2022 by Bash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, BV66 said: Great, all this bickering between speedway fans over the interpretation of the rules. Unfortunately due to the nature of the sport, injured riders as Play-Offs arrive is always likely to happen. For me, a guest should be allowed, if chosen to, but only from riders who have ridden over here most of the season, whose average fits, and the same rider to be used in the home and away fixtures in the Play-Offs. We can get guests but unfortunately only from Peterborough as lynn are racing in both legs. Which is s bit daft having an other meetings on day of play offs but that’s not lynn or Sheffield fault so no problem with that. harris is to high for Ipswich but can guest at home. basso can guest at Ipswich where he’s scores paid 26 from 2 meetings there which isn’t bad at all but would struggle at 1 the rule states you can make a change for a season ending injury to a rider so while fully we can sort someone out like NKI or lambert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 23 minutes ago, Wolfie456 said: Wrong again check the fixtures for that season. Fair enough. Probably 6 meeting sun 6 days then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted September 26, 2022 Report Share Posted September 26, 2022 24 minutes ago, moxey63 said: Looking at some of the crowds, the plight of the sport, my not attending isn't killing speedway. It's those that followed me. That parrot is dead. It keeps on sieving though. Granted it’s a mess. But it won’t ever vanish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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