Najjer Posted August 29, 2023 Report Share Posted August 29, 2023 On 8/28/2023 at 5:48 PM, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: How was this allowed - presumably visa were required Two Brits replaced by two foreigners who are (by necessity of averages) considered inferior I thought Brexit meant Brexit Nonsense - it’s sport and it’s a competition. Sheffield have made changes to make sure they are as competitive as they deem that they can be. That goes for any job in the UK. If somebody isn’t performing as they should, they don’t have a god given right to keep that job over a foreigner because of their nationality. That is irrelevant if they aren’t meeting the required standards. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted August 29, 2023 Report Share Posted August 29, 2023 It’s interesting the Holder-bashing too - he is well out of form in Poland and it’s pretty clear that he isn’t able to mix it at the top table like he did when he was world champion, however… it was only last year when he was flying for Ostrow for much of the year. He is without doubt a confidence based rider so if he can start off well then he might do okay…. Assuming the track isn’t wet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 29, 2023 Report Share Posted August 29, 2023 25 minutes ago, stevebrum said: C Holder for Ellis is a strange one. He has shown zero interest in the UK (until this year when he signed (but didn’t) for the Panthers), is way past his best and will struggle to maintain his 7 pointish average imho. knee jerk reaction from the Tigers management in my opinion but good to see changes happening before the play offs start. At least it is before the play offs start not once they have started! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 29, 2023 Report Share Posted August 29, 2023 11 minutes ago, Najjer said: It’s interesting the Holder-bashing too - he is well out of form in Poland and it’s pretty clear that he isn’t able to mix it at the top table like he did when he was world champion, however… it was only last year when he was flying for Ostrow for much of the year. He is without doubt a confidence based rider so if he can start off well then he might do okay…. Assuming the track isn’t wet One problem is the Wolves track which he hates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 12 hours ago, IronScorpion said: Someone, a few pages ago pointed out the numbers game but has not been followed through. Pre 1/9 you are over the limit & signing C Holder @ 7.16 & Vissing @ 4.16 converted(total 11.32) to replace Ellis @ 6.00 & Kerr @ 5.73 still puts you over at 39.05. It is then the signing of Tai @ 7.03 for Jack @ 8.91, who says he can not commit if not 100% & not let them down, which has allowed the 3 changes & go under the limit. The 39.00 limit only applies for initial team building. For subsequent changes, weaker teams can build up to 39.00, while re-declarations for stronger teams must be lower than their existing total. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 29 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: The 39.00 limit only applies for initial team building. For subsequent changes, weaker teams can build up to 39.00, while re-declarations for stronger teams must be lower than their existing total. 012.2 TEAM COMPOSITION A Premiership team’s initial declaration must not exceed 39.00 points for the top 6 riders. Rising Star riders will be declared at number 7. A Premiership teams declaration must not exceed 39.00 points in any declaration following the issue of established MA’s for 2023 for 6 riders, (excluding the Rising Star rider). Except where the MA of the introduced rider is equal to, or lower than the rider being replaced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, arnieg said: My oversight, but still fits at 4.00 Yes, I should have checked the figures rather than taking it as red the info on here was correct. Schoolboy error on my part. Edited August 30, 2023 by ouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 22 minutes ago, ouch said: Yes, I should have checked the figures rather than taking it as red the info on here was correct. Schoolboy error on my part. Never let the facts get in the way if a good rant!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 I think these changes are horrible for Sheffield. I'll say it now, Holder won't average more than Kerr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: I think these changes are horrible for Sheffield. I'll say it now, Holder won't average more than Kerr. Signing Chris Holder was an easy option for Sheffield as he's been there with his brother several times this season. Remember he is returning after some horrendous injuries which may partially explain his low scores in Poland. For Sheffield a few low scores will be better than 0,0,0. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 8 hours ago, Najjer said: Nonsense - it’s sport and it’s a competition. Sheffield have made changes to make sure they are as competitive as they deem that they can be. That goes for any job in the UK. If somebody isn’t performing as they should, they don’t have a god given right to keep that job over a foreigner because of their nationality. That is irrelevant if they aren’t meeting the required standards. Note the winking emoji - it was very much a tongue in cheek comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BenMoran Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 Personally think Sheffield had to make a move as Adam Ellis just wasn’t doing what was needed from a 3rd heat leader but it’s a tough one for Lewi Kerr as had done nothing wrong just purely numbers, Chris Holder will score more than Adam was doing (generally scored 6 from 4 over last few months), but Claus Vissing will score less at reserve than Lewi Kerr was doing and doesn’t give Sheffield much cover down there now if Jason Edwards/Josh Pickering/Kyle Howarth is struggling in a meeting so could end up being zero effect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 Kerr & Ellis have a combined ave of 10.84. Can't see Holder & Vissing improving that. Sheffield have just deaded themselves I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 41 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Kerr & Ellis have a combined ave of 10.84. Can't see Holder & Vissing improving that. Sheffield have just deaded themselves I'm afraid. Well they had to do something as Ellis was so poor and Holder should beat most second strings, we shall have to see, the downside is come the play offs they will most likely face Wolves, a team in form and a track Chris Holder hates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Kerr & Ellis have a combined ave of 10.84. Can't see Holder & Vissing improving that. Sheffield have just deaded themselves I'm afraid. Ellis's average was dropping like a stone, but we will have to see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Kerr & Ellis have a combined ave of 10.84. Can't see Holder & Vissing improving that. Sheffield have just deaded themselves I'm afraid. Kerr and Ellis' August combined average is 11.73. From Sept 1st it would be 11.27. Holder and Vissing 11.16 from tomorrow. Its always down to numbers! Edited August 30, 2023 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 15 hours ago, arnieg said: Vissing is 3.96 so the change fits. Claus Vissing will be a minimum of 4.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Skidder1 said: Kerr and Ellis' August combined average is 11.73. From Sept 1st it would be 11.27. Holder and Vissing 11.16 from tomorrow. Its always down to numbers! I based it on just 2023 figures, more accurate to form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve55 Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 7 hours ago, foreverblue said: Well they had to do something as Ellis was so poor and Holder should beat most second strings, we shall have to see, the downside is come the play offs they will most likely face Wolves, a team in form and a track Chris Holder hates. Other than the Wolves riders I can't think of many riders who actually like Monmore Green. I couldn't understand why they used to hold the British Championship there year after year until the NSS was built. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted August 30, 2023 Report Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, ouch said: 012.2 TEAM COMPOSITION A Premiership team’s initial declaration must not exceed 39.00 points for the top 6 riders. Rising Star riders will be declared at number 7. A Premiership teams declaration must not exceed 39.00 points in any declaration following the issue of established MA’s for 2023 for 6 riders, (excluding the Rising Star rider). Except where the MA of the introduced rider is equal to, or lower than the rider being replaced. Highlighted wording is what I referred to. Of course, what I didn't think about was that CHolder's average is in excess of Ellis', so I guess that means the Sheffield redeclaration has to be below 39.00 - so that's why Vissing was chosen, and he's cheerfully on 4.00 (although I thought his most recent Prem average is 4.43?). Edited August 30, 2023 by Roger Jacobs Still trying to work out where the averages have come from! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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