Fromafar Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 21 minutes ago, JoeW436 said: The majority might think Holder is a whinging so and so but good to see a rider in the top 15 in the world continuing in this country, hardly spoilt in that department on these shores It’s the easiest money he will earn.(and probably on a a guarantee anyway) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, JoeW436 said: The majority might think Holder is a whinging so and so but good to see a rider in the top 15 in the world continuing in this country, hardly spoilt in that department on these shores His average is only 0.70 over Lawson and i bet being a GP rider he is on twice as much. Edited October 24, 2022 by Bald Bloke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 The worst GP rider of this season, and no doubt next, returns. I'll give Nilsson and Przedpelski a pass as they were clearly flukes. Holder is just not GP level. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderman1 Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 49 minutes ago, JCookie said: The worst GP rider of this season, and no doubt next, returns. I'll give Nilsson and Przedpelski a pass as they were clearly flukes. Holder is just not GP level. That’s unfair, he’s an ausie that won Australia the cup with his riding, no one gets in the gps riding like a girl, great signing 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, JCookie said: The worst GP rider of this season, and no doubt next, returns. I'll give Nilsson and Przedpelski a pass as they were clearly flukes. Holder is just not GP level. Holder 67 Fricke 52 so Jack scores 15 more than Max but is a worse GP rider !!!!! Logic ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Charlieboy said: Holder 67 Fricke 52 so Jack scores 15 more than Max but is a worse GP rider !!!!! Logic ?? I can't make much sense of it either, but Fricke did miss the last couple of GP's didn't he? Ekstraliga stats would suggest Jack Holder is the 27th best rider in the World. Edited October 25, 2022 by Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 21 minutes ago, Col said: I can't make much sense of it either, but Fricke did miss the last couple of GP's didn't he? Ekstraliga stats would suggest Jack Holder is the 27th best rider in the World. Jack outscored max 7-2 in gps and max won one !!! Max missed one gp So don’t get jack is worse gp rider. Polish league is another competition. Max might be better in the polish league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Charlieboy said: Jack outscored max 7-2 in gps and max won one !!! Max missed one gp So don’t get jack is worse gp rider. Polish league is another competition. Max might be better in the polish league. Fricke didn't even ride in the Ekstraliga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 Irrespective of personality and who rode where and when - what matters in Sheffield is how good is Holder at Owlerton and at U.K. tracks - Sheffield fans will I am sure be glad to see him back and at no1 again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 hours ago, GeneralMelchett said: Irrespective of personality and who rode where and when - what matters in Sheffield is how good is Holder at Owlerton and at U.K. tracks - Sheffield fans will I am sure be glad to see him back and at no1 again And yet the following all have higher away averages than Jack Holder: Steve Worrall Charles Wright Danny King Troy Batchelor Thomas Jorgensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 42 minutes ago, arnieg said: And yet the following all have higher away averages than Jack Holder: Steve Worrall Charles Wright Danny King Troy Batchelor Thomas Jorgensen That may well be so but at least 2 of them I wouldn’t think would consider 2023 at Sheffield (well one for sure) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, arnieg said: And yet the following all have higher away averages than Jack Holder: Steve Worrall Charles Wright Troy Batchelor Thomas Jorgensen Did they all avoid riding at Foxhall also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 4 hours ago, GeneralMelchett said: and at no1 again Jack might start at no5... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 I really do wish they'd stop the your #1 in the averages must ride at #1 rule. It removes some of the "skill" required to be a team manager, as long as the reserves have to be 6 & 7 a team manager should be able to put the other riders in any order they wish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Col said: I really do wish they'd stop the your #1 in the averages must ride at #1 rule. It removes some of the "skill" required to be a team manager, as long as the reserves have to be 6 & 7 a team manager should be able to put the other riders in any order they wish. This ^ .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 7 hours ago, Col said: Fricke didn't even ride in the Ekstraliga. Not this season because he got a great deal to stay with ZG to try and get them back ,they Failed.He is back in Ekstraliga next season though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 4 hours ago, arnieg said: And yet the following all have higher away averages than Jack Holder: Steve Worrall Charles Wright Danny King Troy Batchelor Thomas Jorgensen Pretty shocking that! Especially the bottom two, Jorgensen in particular is good at Lynn but known to be a poor traveler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cue Ball Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 I haven’t fact checked… but according to this website, Holder has a higher away average than all of those mentioned save for Worrall http://speedway-stats.co.uk/Averages 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 44 minutes ago, Cue Ball said: I haven’t fact checked… but according to this website, Holder has a higher away average than all of those mentioned save for Worrall http://speedway-stats.co.uk/Averages I don’t know why fans of other clubs are so obsessed with jacks away form. We were top of the league in a team sport and won more away than anybody else so if I were them I’d be more worried about my own teams away form. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 45 minutes ago, Cue Ball said: I haven’t fact checked… but according to this website, Holder has a higher away average than all of those mentioned save for Worrall http://speedway-stats.co.uk/Averages I've used Premiership matches ex bonus points from gbspeedway.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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