Sheffield Tigers 2023

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1 hour ago, Wolfie456 said:

What are you talking about man nobody cheers when one of there own riders gets hurt grow up.

What you mean to say is nobody cheers when ANY rider gets hurt - I hope!

[SPEEDY69]

On 8/3/2023 at 2:58 PM, stevebrum said:

Personally for me a rider that shows loyalty to the British leagues deserve more respect.

Yes, I’m all for all the top boys being back in the UK top league and if the pay was good they would be it’s that simple.

Take Lambert last season, purely here for the glory and just the play offs. Great to have him racing here but I have no respect for him or the Aces for that move.

Great to have Woffy back absolutely.  I’m no fan of Doyle but he deserves more respect for choosing the UK as one of his main leagues season after season. Any top rider back in the UK we should applaud however some are only here for glory/convenience/other clubs out the play offs/ extra pay check etc.

Woffy is a GB legend and our greatest ever rider. He is only here for a few matches tho.

If you mean for Wolves then fine but disagree completely if you mean GB's greatest.

[kevin bass]

So what average does Tai come in on then, is it 7.03 from 2014 or is he assessed as an 8 pointer, just wondering coz Emil surely had an average from 2011  but when he rode for Coventry but was assessed as an 8 this season, unless it's because his average was 12 yr old rather then 9 yr old like Tai's, just asking.

[SteveLyric2]

8 minutes ago, kevin bass said:

So what average does Tai come in on then, is it 7.03 from 2014 or is he assessed as an 8 pointer, just wondering coz Emil surely had an average from 2011  but when he rode for Coventry but was assessed as an 8 this season, unless it's because his average was 12 yr old rather then 9 yr old like Tai's, just asking.

GSAs list him as 7.03

[foreverblue]

3 hours ago, Wolfie456 said:

What are you talking about man nobody cheers when one of there own riders gets hurt grow up.

I expect cheering tonight if Tai takes a tumble!

[noaksey]

4 hours ago, ouch said:

Very bitter, because your only contribution to the whole sorry saga was cheering when Joonas got injured. So sad. 

He wasn't brought in for the play offs he rode 6 or 7 league matches as far as I recall

[4BenMoran]

If Sheffield want to move forward this season and be on the trophy hunt then one of two things needs to happen sooner than later, 1) Adam Ellis’ form improves dramatically home and away to support him being third heat leader or  2) Adam Ellis is replaced with someone who can get more points in the third heat leader role.  If the Sheffield management rest on their laurels with Adam being a ‘mate’ then that could be season over sooner than they want it to be 

[kevin bass]

Haps that's the plan when Holder is fit again, keep Woofy if the averages work.

[Arch Stanton]

23 hours ago, kevin bass said:

So what average does Tai come in on then, is it 7.03 from 2014 or is he assessed as an 8 pointer, just wondering coz Emil surely had an average from 2011  but when he rode for Coventry but was assessed as an 8 this season, unless it's because his average was 12 yr old rather then 9 yr old like Tai's, just asking.

Emil never rode enough meetings for Coventry to gain a proper average. 

[kevin bass]

20 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

Emil never rode enough meetings for Coventry to gain a proper average. 

Did he not Arch, wasn't aware of that.

[stevebrum]

On 8/7/2023 at 9:15 AM, mikebv said:

Can you make three changes this year? 

As many as you want or depends who asks. Both seem to apply this season.

On 8/7/2023 at 11:25 AM, ouch said:

His 7.03 average is from 2014 (http://www.speedwaygbarchive.co.uk/14issues/el14_issue29.pdf) as he didn’t ride in enough meetings in 2016 with him being brought in for the play offs.(https://britishspeedway.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/p23_issue_23.pdf)  He replaced the unfortunate Joonas Kylmakorpi who had increased his average for Wolves but stupidly on his part increased it to 7.06. (http://www.speedwaygbarchive.co.uk/files/downloads/el16_issue_25.pdf) This is when CVS ditched the poor lad in favour of the World Champion. No 8 point reassessments back then for GP men, even the world champion. Kylmakorpi wasn’t injured and the ringers rule was brought in the next season due to Wolves tactics. (The SCB website doesn’t offer archival information on past publications but evidence of the newly added ringer rule can be seen in the 2017 play off final where Wolves we’re not only denied the opportunity of signing Tai as a ringer again, they couldn’t even sign replacements for two injured heat leaders in Lindgren & Thorsell. This was and is ridiculous imo and as we have seen subsequently, rendered the tie a none even. http://www.speedwaygbarchive.co.uk/17results/wolverhampton_04.10.17_res.pdf)

Crowds continued to drop alarmingly in the UK. 

Some valid points however he wasn’t brought in for the play offs. He rode a month before the play offs started. Same as Hancock at Poole. All well and truly valid.

On 8/7/2023 at 1:34 PM, SUPERACE said:

Woffy has been great, but greatest ever British rider I'm not sure on that.  Most world titles yes but best isn't something that's clear cut.  Peter Collins for me would be above on that list as would Peter Craven (who would almost certainly added to his 2 world titles).  

That’s just opinions. Facts are he IS the most crowned English rider in history. 

On 8/7/2023 at 6:27 PM, SPEEDY69 said:

If you mean for Wolves then fine but disagree completely if you mean GB's greatest.

You can’t disagree with facts. He IS the most crowned English world champion in history. 

On 8/7/2023 at 6:47 PM, foreverblue said:

I expect cheering tonight if Tai takes a tumble!

Aces fans do like to cheer a rider falling. But then every club has that element too. 

[SPEEDY69]

14 hours ago, stevebrum said:

As many as you want or depends who asks. Both seem to apply this season.

Some valid points however he wasn’t brought in for the play offs. He rode a month before the play offs started. Same as Hancock at Poole. All well and truly valid.

That’s just opinions. Facts are he IS the most crowned English rider in history. 

You can’t disagree with facts. He IS the most crowned English world champion in history. 

Aces fans do like to cheer a rider falling. But then every club has that element too. 

I'm not disagreeing with that, I disagree that he's the greatest GB rider in history - do you not understand the difference?

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6 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said:

I'm not disagreeing with that, I disagree that he's the greatest GB rider in history - do you not understand the difference?

Depends on how you define greatest I guess. If it’s on world title then Woffy is certainly in a league of his own. However if it’s on track craft, service to club,country & British speedway then there are plenty who are greater. Peter Collins for example or from my era Louis, Loram, Havelock, Screen are all ranked higher in my opinion.

[4BenMoran]

If the rumour on the Leicester page comes to fruition (Robert Lambert in for Richard Lawson) that strengthens that team up.  Hopefully the Sheffield promotion are on the look out to strengthen our third heat leader position as it’s becoming more and more obvious that Adam Ellis’ form is continuing to drop, since start of 2022 season a 1.92 point drop in his average 

[one of clubs]

21 hours ago, stevebrum said:

As many as you want or depends who asks. Both seem to apply this season.

Some valid points however he wasn’t brought in for the play offs. He rode a month before the play offs started. Same as Hancock at Poole. All well and truly valid.

That’s just opinions. Facts are he IS the most crowned English rider in history. 

You can’t disagree with facts. He IS the most crowned English world champion in history. 

Aces fans do like to cheer a rider falling. But then every club has that element too. 

Allow me to clear this up once and for all. The most decorated British rider in terms of world championship honours is Peter Collins with ten. Tai has three. What may i ask is difficult to understand about that?. Three individual does in no way surpass ten combined, including a 1984 win with a team mate and fellow Mancunian. Tai bless him has won no other honours to boot.

[stevebrum]

9 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said:

I'm not disagreeing with that, I disagree that he's the greatest GB rider in history - do you not understand the difference?

I understand that’s your opinion. 

2 hours ago, one of clubs said:

Allow me to clear this up once and for all. The most decorated British rider in terms of world championship honours is Peter Collins with ten. Tai has three. What may i ask is difficult to understand about that?. Three individual does in no way surpass ten combined, including a 1984 win with a team mate and fellow Mancunian. Tai bless him has won no other honours to boot.

Haven’t you forgot Tai was part of the winning world pairs (nation) team?  so 4 if you want to count all titles.

The most decorated individual world champion in English and British history without question is Tai. 

 

[DazS]

British will be Ivan mauger

[stevebrum]

4 minutes ago, DazS said:

British will be Ivan mauger

World titles listed as New Zealander 

[DazS]

they are in the British empire. I'm being pedantic, we used to rule the world you know.

[ouch]

I can’t put my hand on the 2017 regs when the Tai ringer rule was first applied. I’d imagine they’d be similar to the 2018 regs that forbade any changes for fixtures after 15/08/2018. The play offs started over four weeks after this date on 17/09/2018. The initial Tai ringer rule was in connection with his signing in 2016 just three weeks before the play offs when they knew he couldn’t gain a new average and therefore be eligible to do it all over again the following year. Thankfully the powers that be saw sense and put a stop to such things. It’s crazy that in the intervening years the window between allowable team changes and play offs has shrunk making the Tai ringer rule almost redundant.