Trophyman Posted February 22, 2023 Report Share Posted February 22, 2023 The playoffs are purely for the tv. League champions should be decided on the full league program and the playoffs should be a separate end of season competition. That way the best team would win the league. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted February 22, 2023 Report Share Posted February 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Trophyman said: The playoffs are purely for the tv. League champions should be decided on the full league program and the playoffs should be a separate end of season competition. That way the best team would win the league. The play offs are for the clubs as well and if the league title wasn't on the line less fans would turn up. It is a money spinner and will remain because the clubs can't afford it not to stay. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted February 22, 2023 Report Share Posted February 22, 2023 9 hours ago, Trophyman said: The playoffs are purely for the tv. League champions should be decided on the full league program and the playoffs should be a separate end of season competition. That way the best team would win the league. If the playoffs weren’t to win the league there would be no point in them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 Ive never been a fan of the play offs but i understand the reasoning behind them, yes the semis and final bring in good crowds for 4 teams but throughout the season are they counter productive when you look at the sparse crowds, it seems people are staying away from league matches as they are nothing but a series of qualifying rounds and come out in force for the play offs, so what promoters are gaining on the swings they are losing on the roundabouts, or does the revenue from play offs cover the shocking crowds throughout the league campaign and that would only benefit four teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 Personally I love the Play Off's. The atmosphere on the night is electric and exciting, I do think we need to move on from last season's Play Off defeat. Lets move on and concentrate on ths coming season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 On 2/20/2023 at 2:36 PM, bellevueace said: Max might not have been up in the GP rankings with Lambert but Roberts BL average was under and without a doubt Max was well capable of going through the card at home and at least equalling Roberts score around Owlerton, we also going back through the years have fallen fould of certain rules that have benefitted other clubs Its not just a wolves thing. Just how many maximums did he score in 2022? On 2/20/2023 at 4:17 PM, szkocjasid said: The funny thing is, fans spent all season moaning about certain teams using guests & not signing a replacement only to complain when Belle Vue do the exact opposite! I can understand fans moaning about signing the world number 5 only for the play offs, way worse than RR and guests! 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 Max was well capable of going through the card at home, who would have predicted Jack Holder underperforming as he did, we were still missing two riders, broke no rules so get over it 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 19 hours ago, stevebrum said: Just how many maximums did he score in 2022? I can understand fans moaning about signing the world number 5 only for the play offs, way worse than RR and guests! There is NOTHING worse in speedway than borrowing a rider from another team in the same league, other than injuries of course. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 25, 2023 Report Share Posted February 25, 2023 20 hours ago, Bagpuss said: There is NOTHING worse in speedway than borrowing a rider from another team in the same league, other than injuries of course. And there is nothing worse allowing one team to sign a rider just for the play offs whilst denying another team the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted February 25, 2023 Report Share Posted February 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, stevebrum said: And there is nothing worse allowing one team to sign a rider just for the play offs whilst denying another team the same. OK, well agree to disagree otherwise we'll go round in circles that my sanity can't cope with. But hopefully going forward season ending injuries will continue to be allowed new signings to cover them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 26, 2023 Report Share Posted February 26, 2023 20 hours ago, Bagpuss said: OK, well agree to disagree otherwise we'll go round in circles that my sanity can't cope with. But hopefully going forward season ending injuries will continue to be allowed new signings to cover them. That all teams can use fairly. Until someone brings in a ringer of course. We know some promoters will try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 On 2/23/2023 at 3:21 PM, bellevueace said: Ive never been a fan of the play offs but i understand the reasoning behind them, yes the semis and final bring in good crowds for 4 teams but throughout the season are they counter productive when you look at the sparse crowds, it seems people are staying away from league matches as they are nothing but a series of qualifying rounds and come out in force for the play offs, so what promoters are gaining on the swings they are losing on the roundabouts, or does the revenue from play offs cover the shocking crowds throughout the league campaign and that would only benefit four teams. Scrapping the playoffs wouldn’t improve crowds for all league meetings, maybe the key ones at the end though so no change really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 2, 2023 Report Share Posted March 2, 2023 On 2/28/2023 at 6:52 PM, Call me wolfie said: Scrapping the playoffs wouldn’t improve crowds for all league meetings, maybe the key ones at the end though so no change really. Exactly, the sport needs the play offs to survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 For anyone not on Facebook, tonight's STAARS meeting at New Barracks Tavern is cancelled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 On 2/26/2023 at 12:24 AM, stevebrum said: And there is nothing worse allowing one team to sign a rider just for the play offs whilst denying another team the same. The Regulations were different in previous seasons. Sheffield took advantage of the same regulation used by BV to make a signing that they otherwise couldn't have made - that definitely improved their team. Perhaps if they hadn't set a precedent, then BV might not have been able to make their change? Also, no-one can ever predict how well a new rider will perform (or how poorly an existing excellent rider will perform), so there's no argument there either. Get over it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 (edited) On 3/2/2023 at 10:40 PM, stevebrum said: Exactly, the sport needs the play offs to survive. False economy - and a self-made smokescreen for the main problem ... The sport needs corporate sponsorship to survive. The play-offs have become the extra survival option simply because the sport is heavily reliant upon the cash flow generated by paying customers. Edited March 9, 2023 by Roger Jacobs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 On 2/28/2023 at 6:52 PM, Call me wolfie said: Scrapping the playoffs wouldn’t improve crowds for all league meetings, maybe the key ones at the end though so no change really. There's both pros & cons for the play-offs. Not a fan of them myself. But I'd be interested to see what the crowd was for Sheffield vs Ipswich on Oct 24th, what would have been a league title decider, basically turned into a challenge match! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 9 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: The Regulations were different in previous seasons. Sheffield took advantage of the same regulation used by BV to make a signing that they otherwise couldn't have made - that definitely improved their team. Perhaps if they hadn't set a precedent, then BV might not have been able to make their change? Also, no-one can ever predict how well a new rider will perform (or how poorly an existing excellent rider will perform), so there's no argument there either. Get over it. The world number 5 was always going to score more than Max, I’m well over it. it still stinks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 11 hours ago, stevebrum said: The world number 5 was always going to score more than Max, I’m well over it. it still stinks. yeah, you've definitely moved on, I can tell 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 On 3/2/2023 at 2:40 PM, stevebrum said: Exactly, the sport needs the play offs to survive. Doesn't help teams who fail to qualify for play offs, and speedway, ideally needs all teams to survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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