ouch Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, The Third Man said: Just use Lambert as a guest in the play offs Or sign another GP rider, I am sure BV won't want us to use a guest in the play offs I don’t want you to use guests in the play offs as I’ve always thought it a stupid rule to stop a team finding an adequate full time replacement at their time of need. I’m not a fan of guests even if it rubs folk on here up the wrong way. At home you can use Max Fricke which makes tou a bit stronger but you couldn’t use Max away as he is too good to allow it, similarly with Emil & Jason should Ipswich not qualify for the play offs. Lambert cannot guest and I doubt Artem would take the booking though Bates would bankrupt the club if it got him some tin. You’ll probably have to go with R/R but this can be tricky as demonstrated when Belle Vue lost out on a sure fire win in 2021. Edit: Max’s new average means he can guest home & away for Tai if the Lions don’t make it. Like for like so nothing lost for the Tigers. Edited September 3, 2023 by ouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, ouch said: I don’t want you to use guests in the play offs as I’ve always thought it a stupid rule to stop a team finding an adequate full time replacement at their time of need. I’m not a fan of guests even if it rubs folk on here up the wrong way. At home you can use Max Fricke which makes tou a bit stronger but you couldn’t use Max away as he is too good to allow it, similarly with Emil & Jason should Ipswich not qualify for the play offs. Lambert cannot guest and I doubt Artem would take the booking though Bates would bankrupt the club if it got him some tin. You’ll probably have to go with R/R but this can be tricky as demonstrated when Belle Vue lost out on a sure fire win in 2021. Max has a lower average than Tai so can be used home or away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin bass Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 32 minutes ago, Supersub said: Don’t think Jack will be riding in Premier again this season. What will Sheffield do now as it looks as if Tai will be out for a while I think Jack will be advised by his Polish club to sit out the rest of the season over here and concentrate on his Polish commitments and just ride over there till their done plus the remaining GPs if he's had no reaction from riding last night that is, as for guests it's a bit premature mentioning Fricke coz as it stands Leicester still have a fighting chance of the play offs, Ipswich have to win at King's Lynn really and hope Leicester don't pick up any points from their last couple of meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 In the interests of the sport, Sheffield will surely be allowed to sign /use /loan/borrow whoever they like …….Bartosz Smarslik would be a good crowd puller …. Belle Vue threaded a needle through the rule book last year so there is precedent which counts for a lot English/ Welsh law. If they need any help I am certain Ford and Middleditch will be able to help them. :-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said: In the interests of the sport, Sheffield will surely be allowed to sign /use /loan/borrow whoever they like …….Bartosz Smarslik would be a good crowd puller …. Belle Vue threaded a needle through the rule book last year so there is precedent which counts for a lot English/ Welsh law. If they need any help I am certain Ford and Middleditch will be able to help them. :-0 I agree Zmazlik would have been a great replacement and had we stuck with the rules that we rode to last year, that would have been allowed. Unfortunately for us few long suffering fans, they re wrote the rules so it’s a no go this year. I also agree with you that their cartel mates could come to their aid and we’ll see this seasons rules broken again. Edited September 3, 2023 by ouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW436 Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 Would someone like Vaculik be allowed to come in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, ouch said: Lambert cannot guest and I doubt Artem would take the booking though Bates would bankrupt the club if it got him some tin. Why not? Edited September 3, 2023 by arnieg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 31 minutes ago, arnieg said: Why not? He is on assessed average, can’t guest on assessed average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, Rob B said: He is on assessed average, can’t guest on assessed average. Is it not an actually achieved average from 2019? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, arnieg said: Is it not an actually achieved average from 2019? Older then 2 seasons so it’s assessed, same as Woffinden was on till he got new average. https://britishspeedway.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/p23_issue_31.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 14 minutes ago, Rob B said: Older then 2 seasons so it’s assessed, same as Woffinden was on till he got new average. https://britishspeedway.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/p23_issue_31.pdf But Holders isn’t. Lol They make it up at they go along and that worries me as they can try and push anything through unless we get a lawyer again. Quite why it should be up to us to pay and make clubs rides by the rules is beyond me and all those many ex fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 Some wild choice of guests that aren't even available. Doyle only available for home meetings, Lambert has an assessed average, Fricke will be cup tied. Laguta (if he wants to) will be the only genuine No1 available. Most likely it'll be Harris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 33 minutes ago, Rob B said: Older then 2 seasons so it’s assessed, same as Woffinden was on till he got new average. https://britishspeedway.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/p23_issue_31.pdf Got you. So it's an average assessed at his actual average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerblade Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said: Some wild choice of guests that aren't even available. Doyle only available for home meetings, Lambert has an assessed average, Fricke will be cup tied. Laguta (if he wants to) will be the only genuine No1 available. Most likely it'll be Harris We might struggle with getting Bomber as guest tomorrow.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 14 minutes ago, Tigerblade said: We might struggle with getting Bomber as guest tomorrow.... I'm thinking of the more important Play-Offs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerblade Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: I'm thinking of the more important Play-Offs I know, I was just being light hearted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 Would be ridiculous for the Premiership Play Offs if they have to use guests... But.. If they do, then hopefully they have to stick with the same one and not swap and change depending on which track they are riding at.. Personally. Nothing wrong for me in bringing in another top rider to replace him... Bartek would be great to watch... And around Monmore we could see if the "all he is, is a throttle jockey" can actually ride small, technical tracks.. Aftwr all, he has struggled at Cardiff so much down the years against the world's best hasnt the? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 According to Panthers web site it RR tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, mikebv said: Would be ridiculous for the Premiership Play Offs if they have to use guests... But.. If they do, then hopefully they have to stick with the same one and not swap and change depending on which track they are riding at.. Personally. Nothing wrong for me in bringing in another top rider to replace him... Bartek would be great to watch... And around Monmore we could see if the "all he is, is a throttle jockey" can actually ride small, technical tracks.. Aftwr all, he has struggled at Cardiff so much down the years against the world's best hasnt the? I agree and they made a ruling in a play off years ago that it was more credible to use the same guest rider for both legs whether that rule still exists I dont know.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 3, 2023 Report Share Posted September 3, 2023 15 minutes ago, foreverblue said: I agree and they made a ruling in a play off years ago that it was more credible to use the same guest rider for both legs whether that rule still exists I dont know.. Not forgetting the 8 day rule! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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