stevebrum Posted March 16, 2023 Report Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: You still make it sound as if this was done deliberately. It only happened because of injury. Definitely agree with your point about Morris - he has a battle on his hands not just to remove ambiguity, but also to deal with the strongest personalities among the promoters. It still stinks a little that the ok was granted for Belle Vue to use Lambert as an injury replacement but Wolves were denied using Woffy when they had their top 2 with season ending injuries (Lindgren and Thorssell) which were exactly the same scenario. Im not saying it was done deliberately but not done fairly for all teams using the so called same rules, regulations and interpretations of the rules. 3 hours ago, B.V 72 said: You also need to look at other leagues before you comment on averages. Lidsey is going well in Poland. But if you look at the Swedish league averages for riders signed this year from a 7 team league you will find that there are 38 riders with a better average than Lidsey so not that great.and with Swedish tracks being a lot closer to our tracks its hard to say how well he will go here. I expect he will go well at home( big track like Poland) but who knows about away tracks.Also Bellego sits next to him on the average list so another one who goes better in Poland than Sweden. Any rider that is good enough to ride in the Swedish AND Polish top flight need to have a minimum 7 point average assessed imho. I take your point that the averages don’t always tell the whole story however in my opinion riders that ride in top flight leagues will be used to coming up against and challenging a higher standard of rider than in the UK so will have it relatively easier over here. There has to be some sort of bench mark for assessing standards of riders, for me it’s simple to say that if you are good enough to ride in both top flight leagues then a minimum assessed average should be deemed fair. I think a 6 would be to low so that’s why a 7 seems fair to me. plus if you are also a GP rider as well then nothing less than an 8 or 8.5 seems fair. Edited March 16, 2023 by stevebrum Added detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted March 16, 2023 Report Share Posted March 16, 2023 6 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Spot on, that's the key point that seems to get missed. Whether he should have been reassessed is another argument, but he wasn't and fitted to replace an injured rider. Which is much more preferable to a guest (eurgh) or R/R. in actuality he WAS a guest , only on a false average ! if his average had been re-assessed (to align with his world standing/form) ,he wouldn't have ridden and all the controversy would not have arisen.a loophole that should never arise again using this suggestion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted March 16, 2023 Report Share Posted March 16, 2023 9 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Spot on, that's the key point that seems to get missed. Whether he should have been reassessed is another argument, but he wasn't and fitted to replace an injured rider. Which is much more preferable to a guest (eurgh) or R/R. He guested for three matches and then another guest was needed for what should have been his fourth match, but as that match wasn't important he got a mysterious injury 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted March 16, 2023 Report Share Posted March 16, 2023 4 hours ago, The SAINT said: in actuality he WAS a guest , only on a false average ! if his average had been re-assessed (to align with his world standing/form) ,he wouldn't have ridden and all the controversy would not have arisen.a loophole that should never arise again using this suggestion. 40 minutes ago, The Third Man said: He guested for three matches and then another guest was needed for what should have been his fourth match, but as that match wasn't important he got a mysterious injury Excuse my ignorance, but why as he a 'guest'? As far as I'm aware one of those has to be in a 1-7. As for reassessment, he should really have been, no argument there. Hopefully something Mr Morris will sort out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted March 16, 2023 Report Share Posted March 16, 2023 10 hours ago, stevebrum said: It still stinks a little that the ok was granted for Belle Vue to use Lambert as an injury replacement but Wolves were denied using Woffy when they had their top 2 with season ending injuries (Lindgren and Thorssell) which were exactly the same scenario. Im not saying it was done deliberately but not done fairly for all teams using the so called same rules, regulations and interpretations of the rules. Basically the (poorly written) rules were different last year than they were when Wolves were missing their top 2! They've changed again for next year, so even if Ipswich were missing Doyle & Sayfutdinov for the play-offs they couldn't draft in Lambert! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 18 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Basically the (poorly written) rules were different last year than they were when Wolves were missing their top 2! They've changed again for next year, so even if Ipswich were missing Doyle & Sayfutdinov for the play-offs they couldn't draft in Lambert! That is good it cannot happen again and shows that it should not have been allowed to happen before, well done to Belle Vue on exploiting the loophole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 On 3/16/2023 at 8:29 AM, Bagpuss said: Spot on, that's the key point that seems to get missed. Whether he should have been reassessed is another argument, but he wasn't and fitted to replace an injured rider. Which is much more preferable to a guest (eurgh) or R/R. Disagree, R/R would have been preferable to a ringer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 17, 2023 Report Share Posted March 17, 2023 19 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Basically the (poorly written) rules were different last year than they were when Wolves were missing their top 2! They've changed again for next year, so even if Ipswich were missing Doyle & Sayfutdinov for the play-offs they couldn't draft in Lambert! Very poorly written as they get abused time after time. im not sure which part of the rule was different to when wolves asked tho because as far as I’m aware there has always been a cut off date for transfers for the play offs, no signings after that deadline and guests from other teams (laterally only teams outside the play offs) only allowed for injured riders. The only more recent change to that has been the replacement only for proven season ending injuries. That seemed to hold up to the standard that was applied to Wolves when their top 2 were injured because the move got refused. It was only on appeal that Lambert was allowed. Seems that was allowed when possibly denied to other teams. Anyway who knows? The rules are at best fluid and that won’t change much and you can be sure some promoter will look at the next loophole to explore so no doubt this topic will be rehashed at the end of this or next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BenMoran Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 So Sportowefakty reporting that after Tobiasz’s off earlier today that he’s broken his collarbone, next meetings are 20th, 24th & 27th April, hopefully he’s back sooner than later as he’ll be a big miss in any meeting he’s but fit enough to ride in. If we need a guest then should be some good options who are the right side of the numbers like Sam Masters, NKI, Harris to name a few, sure the boys will be able to cover with R/R at home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted April 9, 2023 Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, 4BM said: So Sportowefakty reporting that after Tobiasz’s off earlier today that he’s broken his collarbone, next meetings are 20th, 24th & 27th April, hopefully he’s back sooner than later as he’ll be a big miss in any meeting he’s but fit enough to ride in. If we need a guest then should be some good options who are the right side of the numbers like Sam Masters, NKI, Harris to name a few, sure the boys will be able to cover with R/R at home Musielak posted he has a broken right clavicle, and it requires an operation ... Edited April 9, 2023 by Roger Jacobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted April 9, 2023 Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 5 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: Musielak posted he has a broken right clavicle, and it requires an operation ... Hoping to be back by end of April but that seems a little ambitious. Already been ruled out of Ostrow’s next two matches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted April 9, 2023 Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 6 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: Musielak posted he has a broken right clavicle, and it requires an operation ... Options for the club whilst Toby is getting fit, Rider Replacement Holder, Ellis, Bellego and Howarth can all take hid rides. Or possibly Signed Chris Holder on a 28 day contract as cover, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RideHard Posted April 9, 2023 Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 Hope it’s a speedy recovery.. Chris holder filling in for 4-6 weeks would be smart business if he’s available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted April 9, 2023 Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 19 minutes ago, RideHard said: Hope it’s a speedy recovery.. Chris holder filling in for 4-6 weeks would be smart business if he’s available Well he was originally line up to ride for Peterborough, so it must have been in his mind that he wants to ride in the UK. I believe him and Jack live in the same house over here, so he could travel up with Jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted April 9, 2023 Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, spin king said: Well he was originally line up to ride for Peterborough, so it must have been in his mind that he wants to ride in the UK. I believe him and Jack live in the same house over here, so he could travel up with Jack. He was doing a friend a favour who was joining the club with MT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted April 9, 2023 Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Flappy said: He was doing a friend a favour who was joining the club with MT He has a brother at Sheffield maybe do it as favour for his brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted April 9, 2023 Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 Just now, spin king said: He has a brother at Sheffield maybe do it as favour for his brother. For sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie456 Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 Just read Lublin have announced they have rearranged there match against Wroclaw for April 27th.Wonder were Jack Holder will be on that night as you due to ride Peterborough at home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyd Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Wolfie456 said: Just read Lublin have announced they have rearranged there match against Wroclaw for April 27th.Wonder were Jack Holder will be on that night as you due to ride Peterborough at home. He should be at Sheffield as Mondays and Thursdays are British race nights BUT in this crazy make it up as you go along world of speedway anything could be happening. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 18 minutes ago, tonyd said: He should be at Sheffield as Mondays and Thursdays are British race nights BUT in this crazy make it up as you go along world of speedway anything could be happening. Holder will be in Poland on 27th as UK gave up the protective Thursdays did they not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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