mikebv Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 1 hour ago, RoundTheBoards said: You've got it all confused. The ruling doesn't say "Becker is no longer a Wolves rider". He still is a Wolves ride, still in their 1-7. All that has changed is that Wolves are no longer allowed a facility for him. (for 28 days they had a facility that allowed them to use R/R or a guest up to Becker's average). They now have no facility for any meeting Becker misses, and must follow the "no facility" rule. Becker is still in the 1-7, and can ride any ride he's able. Is he right or left handed though? And does he like Mars Bars.? That may make a difference... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 12 hours ago, RoundTheBoards said: You've got it all confused. The ruling doesn't say "Becker is no longer a Wolves rider". He still is a Wolves ride, still in their 1-7. All that has changed is that Wolves are no longer allowed a facility for him. (for 28 days they had a facility that allowed them to use R/R or a guest up to Becker's average). They now have no facility for any meeting Becker misses, and must follow the "no facility" rule. Becker is still in the 1-7, and can ride any time he's able. I don't know what the ruling is. Vatcher appears to have introduced one which doesn't appear to be in the 2023 SCB regs. Perhaps he, and others in the BSPL, were miffed by the fact Wolves included Scott as a temporary replacement for Luke then went back to their original declaration after Nicholls was injured in Poland just before Wolves' home fixture v Belle Vue on10th April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, tocha said: I don't know what the ruling is. Vatcher appears to have introduced one which doesn't appear to be in the 2023 SCB regs. Perhaps he, and others in the BSPL, were miffed by the fact Wolves included Scott as a temporary replacement for Luke then went back to their original declaration after Nicholls was injured in Poland just before Wolves' home fixture v Belle Vue on10th April. The ruling is SR10.5.p which states “ [A team may utilise a facility to cover the absence of a rider(s) who -] has been approved in a teams declared 1-7 at the start of the season but due to extenuating circumstances is not available, a facility may be granted, up to a maximum of 28 days, at the SCB Co-Ordinators discretion.” There’s a detailed explanation at http://www.wolverhampton-speedway.com/news.php?extend.3672 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 so if Phil doesn't agree with Neil's rule who trumps who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundTheBoards Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 5 hours ago, tocha said: I don't know what the ruling is. Vatcher appears to have introduced one which doesn't appear to be in the 2023 SCB regs. Neil Vatcher hasn't "introduced a rule which doesn't appear to be in the 2023 regs". Like you say, you don't know the regulations. Neil Watson has quoted the relevant part of the SR below. Becker was named in the 1-7 for 2023 at the start of the season but hasn't turned a wheel. The SCB can give a facility for a MAXIMUM of 28 days, and they have given Wolverhampton the maximum benefit of that regulation. What does feel a bit unfair is that Peterborough have been given a longer facility for Pedersen. But Pedersen isn't the same case. He DID ride for Peterborough and got "injured" riding for them. In this case Peterborough get an automatic facility for 28 days which can be extended for a longer period. The fact that Pedersen only rode about 50 yards is what makes it feel unfair. On top of this Pedersen is now fit, so I would question on what grounds his automatic 28 day facility is being extended (presumably for withholding services). 4 hours ago, NeilWatson said: The ruling is SR10.5.p which states “ [A team may utilise a facility to cover the absence of a rider(s) who -] has been approved in a teams declared 1-7 at the start of the season but due to extenuating circumstances is not available, a facility may be granted, up to a maximum of 28 days, at the SCB Co-Ordinators discretion.” There’s a detailed explanation at http://www.wolverhampton-speedway.com/news.php?extend.3672 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJWolves Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the facility given to Wolves I think it’s incorrect that the decision rests in the hands of one person. Nothing against Vatcher, don’t know him from Adam, but these decisions should be handled by a committee not one person. I understand the facility is for a guest with an average of 5.33 or less. What does that equate to in terms of a championship riders average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 4 hours ago, DJWolves said: Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the facility given to Wolves I think it’s incorrect that the decision rests in the hands of one person. Nothing against Vatcher, don’t know him from Adam, but these decisions should be handled by a committee not one person. I understand the facility is for a guest with an average of 5.33 or less. What does that equate to in terms of a championship riders average They will use S.Nicholls whenever possible...5.28 ave ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Pauldoveyspeedway said: They will use S.Nicholls whenever possible...5.28 ave ... On the updates site it seems they had Ben Barker lined-up for tonight at Sheffield? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted May 12, 2023 Report Share Posted May 12, 2023 23 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said: On the updates site it seems they had Ben Barker lined-up for tonight at Sheffield? Yeah they have ....Scott on T.V duty ...polish G.P ..this Saturday.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattB Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 Wolves Speedway owners are in talks over a potential new home after the team was given notice to leave Monmore Green. Under-threat Wolves has been told its tenancy agreement will not be extended beyond the end of this year, leaving the riders homeless after nearly a century of racing at its historic home, in Sutherland Avenue, Wolverhampton, which it shares with greyhound racing. The club is remaining tight-lipped over the unnamed location, but team promoter Chris Van Straaten told the Express & Star: "There is a site which we are investigating, but it is the very early stages of consideration and we're unable to say any more at the moment. "We have had a lot of interest and have received a lot of help from MP Pat McFadden, councillors and others. We are working towards a site and we're quite confident about and hopefully it will come to fruition within the next few months." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R87 Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 43 minutes ago, MattB said: Wolves Speedway owners are in talks over a potential new home after the team was given notice to leave Monmore Green. Under-threat Wolves has been told its tenancy agreement will not be extended beyond the end of this year, leaving the riders homeless after nearly a century of racing at its historic home, in Sutherland Avenue, Wolverhampton, which it shares with greyhound racing. The club is remaining tight-lipped over the unnamed location, but team promoter Chris Van Straaten told the Express & Star: "There is a site which we are investigating, but it is the very early stages of consideration and we're unable to say any more at the moment. "We have had a lot of interest and have received a lot of help from MP Pat McFadden, councillors and others. We are working towards a site and we're quite confident about and hopefully it will come to fruition within the next few months." No chance 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattB Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, R87 said: No chance That's the spirit! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted May 18, 2023 Report Share Posted May 18, 2023 21 hours ago, R87 said: No chance No wonder speedway in this country is dying if we get comments like that from so called speedway fans……….idiotic 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R87 Posted May 19, 2023 Report Share Posted May 19, 2023 On 5/18/2023 at 6:19 PM, Call me wolfie said: No wonder speedway in this country is dying if we get comments like that from so called speedway fans……….idiotic Not idiotic - realistic. We're in the middle of the worst cost of crisis in living memory, and a sport where tracks are dropping like flies. You seriously think the local council are going to allow money to be blown on something that, with the best will in the world, appeals to a couple of hundred people in the area? It's utter fantasy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted May 19, 2023 Report Share Posted May 19, 2023 31 minutes ago, R87 said: Not idiotic - realistic. We're in the middle of the worst cost of crisis in living memory, and a sport where tracks are dropping like flies. You seriously think the local council are going to allow money to be blown on something that, with the best will in the world, appeals to a couple of hundred people in the area? It's utter fantasy If a site is found that is not in council ownership the only role that the council has is in granting planning permission. That permission will not be a judgement on the wisdom of the venture in the current economic climate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 27, 2023 Report Share Posted May 27, 2023 Luke Becker has made his track return in todays SGP Qualifier in Zarnocica, he has finished in 3rd place with 12pts. The meeting was won by Martin Vaculik. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazS Posted May 27, 2023 Report Share Posted May 27, 2023 23 minutes ago, screm said: Luke Becker has made his track return in todays SGP Qualifier in Zarnocica, he has finished in 3rd place with 12pts. The meeting was won by Martin Vaculik. jacobson 4th lambert 5th(res,) fricke 6th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie456 Posted May 27, 2023 Report Share Posted May 27, 2023 5 hours ago, screm said: Luke Becker has made his track return in todays SGP Qualifier in Zarnocica, he has finished in 3rd place with 12pts. The meeting was won by Martin Vaculik. Right now let's climb up that league table Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted May 27, 2023 Report Share Posted May 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Wolfie456 said: Right now let's climb up that league table You can't climb much higher... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie456 Posted May 27, 2023 Report Share Posted May 27, 2023 Just now, BluPanther said: You can't climb much higher... Just get above Belle Vue lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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