FAST GATER Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 7 hours ago, Trees said: Holder will do a Doyle in this league imo. Take advantage of the lower standard of competition compared to Poland etc ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 8 hours ago, TTT said: Me too. I was just saying that Sheffield don't have a reason to drop Ellis when the core of the 2022 team would've won the Double last season if it wasn't for Babs lol. Holder will do a Doyle in this league imo. Holder hasn't been the same since his big injury IMO, he'll score well but I doubt he'll match Doyle. Doyle is still a GP rider whereas Holder is a level below that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 (edited) Holder won’t get anywhere near Doyle’s average here. We had all this this time last year when more than one person tipped younger Holder, Kurtz and Max Fricke to all eclipse Doyle this year, and none of them got remotely close. Edited November 21, 2022 by Arch Stanton 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, JCookie said: Holder hasn't been the same since his big injury IMO, he'll score well but I doubt he'll match Doyle. Doyle is still a GP rider whereas Holder is a level below that. Maybe, but watching Holder ride in Poland over the past two seasons, he has definitely worked his way back into the top 20 or so in the world I would say.. And, in my opinion, is quite a way above the level of the likes of Musielak, Kurtz, and Zagar, and even above Fricke... I would say he would be easily vying for third in the averages behind Doyle and Bewley if he rode over here... Seems to have got his "mojo" back so would be a very good signing for anyone I would suggest.. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers99 Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 I think if Holder rode here for a full season with no injuries, could get to 8.50 at best I'd say. Which is a play off sized improvement on starting average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 Holder is way past his best, think he would do well to average 8 over here nowadays personally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 3 hours ago, JCookie said: Holder hasn't been the same since his big injury IMO, he'll score well but I doubt he'll match Doyle. Doyle is still a GP rider whereas Holder is a level below that. Given that in 2022 Chris Holder had a higher average than Woffinden, Doyle, Bewley and Jack Holder in Poland, and Janowski, Dudek and Lindgren in Sweden I'd suggest he's hardly a spent force. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 Just now, arnieg said: Given that in 2022 Chris Holder had a higher average than Woffinden, Doyle, Bewley and Jack Holder in Poland, and Janowski, Dudek and Lindgren in Sweden I'd suggest he's hardly a spent force. Which is not something I said. I think he's a level below being a genuine GP rider - which is still a fair achievement given his previous injuries - and he won't match Doyle in this country. Still a very good rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 Holder is Ipswich bound funded by Guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitch Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 I would like to see Michael Palm Toft retained as well as Ben Basso. Not much mention of him on here, does anyone have any ideas as to where he is heading for 2023. He must have quite a low average after last season and I think one year he will have a breakthrough season and it could be 2023?. He rides the showground really well and can perform well away also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: Holder is way past his best, think he would do well to average 8 over here nowadays personally. Think you are wildly underestimating him. But hope he signs over here so we can see! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siggysigalos Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 I did say on here Saturday Morning Holder wasn't a certainty for Peterborough just yet,no decision made his end yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Eck Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 16 hours ago, TTT said: Leicester imo. Not on your list he’s not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 3 hours ago, arnieg said: Given that in 2022 Chris Holder had a higher average than Woffinden, Doyle, Bewley and Jack Holder in Poland, and Janowski, Dudek and Lindgren in Sweden I'd suggest he's hardly a spent force. And rode for a much inferior team than all the rest, meaning he pretty much carried it, so ended up with six rides most weeks.. With the more rides you have often being an average killer.. Especially coming out in virtually every race against one of the top 25 or so riders in the world.. If he rides over here at 75% of what he has done in Poland the last two seasons, he will hit at least an 8pt average given the huge drop in standard he will find in at least half of his races.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Wee Eck said: Not on your list he’s not He is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 Without re-reading all the prev pages, is Chris Holder defo riding in the UK in 2023 ?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyke Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 52 minutes ago, martinmauger said: Without re-reading all the prev pages, is Chris Holder defo riding in the UK in 2023 ?... To summarise Yes No Maybe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 (edited) Just for interest. Which team are you taking? 1. Niels-Kristian Iversen 2. Rohan Tungate 3. Benjamin Basso 4. Przemyslaw Pawlicki 5. Chris Holder 6. Ben Cook 7. Drew Kemp (RS) = 38.92 or 1. Niels-Kristian Iversen 2. Krzysztof Buczkowski 3. Benjamin Basso 4. Rohan Tungate 5. Matej Zagar 6. Ben Cook 7. Jordan Jenkins (RS) = 38.23 Edited November 21, 2022 by TTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers99 Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 First one but unrealistic so the second one, but again, unlikely. So I'll have the one with Hans and Scotty .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted November 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, Panthers99 said: First one but unrealistic so the second one, but again, unlikely. So I'll have the one with Hans and Scotty .... No chance Hans and Nicholls will be at Peterborough. I've given you all the first 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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