Peterborough Panthers 2023

[Bagpuss]

1 hour ago, Flappy said:

28 days. We don't even use the best guests 

I expect you'll get another 28 and then another and then another.

[LisaColette]

22 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

Maybe, I have no idea, I doubt what happened at Lynn would have meant he couldn't get a licence.

 

Was to do with visa? 

[foreverblue]

1 minute ago, lisa-colette said:

Was to do with visa? 

Cant remember possibly I dont know. Cant see  it being related to what happened at Kings Lynn. In my biased opinion Chris Holder is a nice guy and he rightly feels let down by Peterbough so not surprised by his comments. I am also not surprised Kings Lynn felt let down and Buster not wanting him in the Peterborough team  

[bigcatdiary]

2 hours ago, Littleze said:

Don’t watch… simple, vote with your feet. People keep going is essentially saying carry on lads.

Voting with your feet is never the answer, thats the main reason speedway clubs fold.

I would have thought that was obvious to a Rye House fan.

Edited April 21, 2023 by bigcatdiary

[Purplepanthernotred]

11 hours ago, Bald Bloke said:

Did he not say he was going to buy the club.That he’s a winner? Then he tried to undermine the owner by trying to sign Holder? He gobbed off before he could deliver. Buster put a lot of work getting NP in.It’s not his fault NP cried off. If he had scored 10 in his first meeting people would be fine with the signing…IF Tomalin is such a winner and loves the club, then where is he now?

For the record and having spoken to MT, he’s still involved and attention has now shifted more towards getting all the new plans turned down for the showground. And in my opinion that is more important than what’s happening at the moment team wise. 
 

Buster is the one who owns Peterborough so it’s down to him to sort out the rider situation not Tomalin. He has also invested a lot of money into the team already so this attitude of busters that’s supposedly been heard as ‘we can run r/r and guests all season if needs be is ridiculous. Why should tomalin be the one that forks out more money to obtain another rider??? It’s busters job as owner 

[Flappy]

19 minutes ago, Purplepanthernotred said:

Buster is the one who owns Peterborough so it’s down to him to sort out the rider situation not Tomalin. He has also invested a lot of money into the team already so this attitude of busters that’s supposedly been heard as ‘we can run r/r and guests all season if needs be is ridiculous. Why should tomalin be the one that forks out more money to obtain another rider??? It’s busters job as owner 

Agreed but Buster 100% said he'd rather run guests and R/R all year that shouldn't be accepted as supporters either. 

The way the club is being ran currently is poor and whilst the future of the club is the priority letting a whole season drift is stupid also. 

[Bald Bloke]

2 hours ago, Flappy said:

Even with Pedersen the team was a state. 

The whole Holder situation messed our season up. 

Most fans would still be moaning if your team had Holder in for NP.

[Flappy]

5 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said:

Most fans would still be moaning if your team had Holder in for NP.

It was going to be Holder and Pedersen in the team the whole thing get rebuilt 

[bigcatdiary]

34 minutes ago, Flappy said:

It was going to be Holder and Pedersen in the team the whole thing get rebuilt 

Doesn’t fit on the starting GSA

The evidence suggests Tomalin wanted Holder and Tungate.

Edited April 21, 2023 by bigcatdiary

[hans fan]

1 hour ago, bigcatdiary said:

Voting with your feet is never the answer, thats the main reason speedway clubs fold.

If a restaurant serves up substandard food  you don’t eat there again 

if a branded clothing retail store sells clothes what fall to bits you don’t buy again 

but you seem to think that the paying speedway supporter should put up with the 5h1te team put together this season.last season was bad enough with the over the hill team and pea poor racing.The track this season is even worse 

The answer is serve up a decent show and people will pay …serve up filth and they won’t part with money in theses financial times 

[Crump99]

36 minutes ago, Purplepanthernotred said:

For the record and having spoken to MT, he’s still involved and attention has now shifted more towards getting all the new plans turned down for the showground. And in my opinion that is more important than what’s happening at the moment team wise. 
 

Buster is the one who owns Peterborough so it’s down to him to sort out the rider situation not Tomalin. He has also invested a lot of money into the team already so this attitude of busters that’s supposedly been heard as ‘we can run r/r and guests all season if needs be is ridiculous. Why should tomalin be the one that forks out more money to obtain another rider??? It’s busters job as owner 

Agreed and a great strategy if true. We may go down in the end but it's not a done deal, there is hope (and questions to answer) and the club needs high profile people like Michael Tomalin, Bratters, Councillor Julie Stevenson etc in their corner. Developers want a smooth ride and thankfully people are waking up to the detail of their application and the PCC planning document and process to ensure that all are held to account.

[Sir Sidney]

3 minutes ago, Crump99 said:

Agreed and a great strategy if true. We may go down in the end but it's not a done deal, there is hope (and questions to answer) and the club needs high profile people like Michael Tomalin, Bratters, Councillor Julie Stevenson etc in their corner. Developers want a smooth ride and thankfully people are waking up to the detail of their application and the PCC planning document and process to ensure that all are held to account.

I'm glad to hear that the Panthers will be seeking to make sure the requirements of the Local Plan are enforced.

I do believe it would be beneficial for the Club to make a statement to that effect, so that all supporters know what is happening. There is a danger otherwise that supporters will just drift away, and the Club will not be able to say it is a viable option.

On a wider point it demonstrates that the BSPL and all clubs should be working with local Councils to make sure that the Local Plan includes protection against venues being lost to development without a suitable replacement

[Crump99]

1 hour ago, Flappy said:

Agreed but Buster 100% said he'd rather run guests and R/R all year that shouldn't be accepted as supporters either. 

The way the club is being ran currently is poor and whilst the future of the club is the priority letting a whole season drift is stupid also. 

It's been poor since he took over to be honest. I never got the feeling that it was more than sustainable speedway without ambition and speculation but to make up the numbers. I hear what Bratters says about it being more about mitigating financial losses but most clubs seem to manage and still offer hope with the objective (probably misplaced given the reality) of success. Given that the club is fighting for it's future then the last thing that it needs is another crap season sucking the life out of it. The buck stops with the owner I'm afraid, irrespective of what other members of the management team or sponsors say.

[Crump99]

18 minutes ago, Sir Sidney said:

I'm glad to hear that the Panthers will be seeking to make sure the requirements of the Local Plan are enforced.

I do believe it would be beneficial for the Club to make a statement to that effect, so that all supporters know what is happening. There is a danger otherwise that supporters will just drift away, and the Club will not be able to say it is a viable option.

On a wider point it demonstrates that the BSPL and all clubs should be working with local Councils to make sure that the Local Plan includes protection against venues being lost to development without a suitable replacement

I'm not too fussed by a further statement to be honest because they've covered it already IMO (open wording highlighted):

"In terms of the future, as things stand at present, very sadly this will be our last year. We have a contract with the Showground until the end of October, and at this stage it is highly unlikely that this will be renewed.

"We will continue working hard to secure a replacement for Nicki and fighting for the continuation of speedway in Peterborough, but this is the truth of how things stand today."

More detail would be nice but not at the expense of showing our hand and then disappointing in the final outcome.
 

Edited April 21, 2023 by Crump99

[arnieg]

5 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

Shouldnt have been allowed last year either. Farcical. Guests are ruining speedway, teams have no identity any more with too much doubling up and random guests all over the place. And we are being asked to pay £20+ to watch.

The difference is that Kennett was (or at least CLAIMED to be) injured. Nicki is so incapacitated he could only manage an 18 point maximum in the Polish Ekstraliga.

 

Edited April 21, 2023 by arnieg

[Sir Sidney]

30 minutes ago, Crump99 said:

I'm not too fussed by a further statement to be honest because they've covered it already IMO (open wording highlighted):

"In terms of the future, as things stand at present, very sadly this will be our last year. We have a contract with the Showground until the end of October, and at this stage it is highly unlikely that this will be renewed.

"We will continue working hard to secure a replacement for Nicki and fighting for the continuation of speedway in Peterborough, but this is the truth of how things stand today."

More detail would be nice but not at the expense of showing our hand and then disappointing in the final outcome.
 

So, for those who read this Forum, there will be some knowledge now about what is included in the Local Plan. 

Is that more widely known in the Panthers fan base?

It's still my view that a more nuanced communication could be released,  but I accept you see it differently 

[Crump99]

5 hours ago, Sir Sidney said:

So, for those who read this Forum, there will be some knowledge now about what is included in the Local Plan. 

Is that more widely known in the Panthers fan base?

It's still my view that a more nuanced communication could be released,  but I accept you see it differently 

Hopefully it will all filter down and the interest and resistance will grow now that the cat finally seems to be out of the bag. As long as those mentioned keep at it, and others hopefully join the fray, then those communications will naturally follow. Bratter's interview was really only the starting gun that woke everyone up to the reality of the situation so it's important not to get ahead of ourselves.

Edited April 21, 2023 by Crump99

[LisaColette]

3 hours ago, foreverblue said:

Cant remember possibly I dont know. Cant see  it being related to what happened at Kings Lynn. In my biased opinion Chris Holder is a nice guy and he rightly feels let down by Peterbough so not surprised by his comments. I am also not surprised Kings Lynn felt let down and Buster not wanting him in the Peterborough team  

Buster needs to get over himself and just be civil. No one likes everyone they work with, it's life. It must be emotionally draining to be that bitter about someone.

[IainB]

1 hour ago, hans fan said:

If a restaurant serves up substandard food  you don’t eat there again 

if a branded clothing retail store sells clothes what fall to bits you don’t buy again 

but you seem to think that the paying speedway supporter should put up with the 5h1te team put together this season.last season was bad enough with the over the hill team and pea poor racing.The track this season is even worse 

The answer is serve up a decent show and people will pay …serve up filth and they won’t part with money in theses financial times 

Sport is different though, it's tribal, it's your team and you should support them through thick and thin (in sickness and in health) it's the team representing all of the history built up through the years and your local community... or at least it should be and it is generally the case with most other sports. Speedway on the other hand decides to throw away this proven tribal instinct built into humans and instead decide to hire a bunch of mercenaries, who rarely stay with their team from one season to the next, can barely say "we" or "us" when referring to the team they ride for, instead electing for "them" and decide to go and ride for other clubs around the country and world during the same season. So yes I can easily see why people "vote with their" feet and stop going.

I am more of a fan of the Sport than any particular team or rider, I do support a team (Leicester) but having had my team taken away from me numerous times through the years, I'm a lover of the sport in general.

Edited April 21, 2023 by iainb

[proud panther]

Get the track right to produce good racing, & the average supporter would accept a few defeats.