Peterborough Panthers 2023

[Diamonds85]

1 hour ago, Noodles said:

How do you fluke an average? 

Duh... Obviously every ride he had for 10 meetings was a fluke

[B.V 72]

14 hours ago, Noodles said:

I don't get why people say he was on a false average.  It was unfortunate (fortunate?) when he got injured but the fact is he was averaging 7 points a meeting and riding well at the time of his injury.

Not a dig but how he was on a false average a quick look going off home meetings only. 5 meetings at reserve scores 47 points. One meeting as heat leader scores 5 points gets injured keeps average he achieved at reserve all season.Would he have kept that level of scoring at number one if not team benefits rest of season having rider replacement for an extra heat leader.

[proud panther]

20 minutes ago, B.V 72 said:

Not a dig but how he was on a false average a quick look going off home meetings only. 5 meetings at reserve scores 47 points. One meeting as heat leader scores 5 points gets injured keeps average he achieved at reserve all season.Would he have kept that level of scoring at number one if not team benefits rest of season having rider replacement for an extra heat leader.

Totally agree.

[wealdstone]

28 minutes ago, proud panther said:

Totally agree.

Don't think false average should be taken literally!!! He had done considerably better than anyone could  have imagined when he was injured , which worked very much to our advantage when it came to guests and r/r. 

[bigcatdiary]

11 hours ago, Beowulf said:

Because it was a fluke and well ahead if anything he had achieved in the past. Returned  to normality in 2022.

But what the hell you won the title and I am sure you enjoyed that however it was achieved.

We did enjoy it because we did with the same team from the off, we didn’t bring in ringers and we did it on track, which is where all titles should be decided.

[Flappy]

But let's do it again in 2023

[Sully]

10 hours ago, B.V 72 said:

Not a dig but how he was on a false average a quick look going off home meetings only. 5 meetings at reserve scores 47 points. One meeting as heat leader scores 5 points gets injured keeps average he achieved at reserve all season.Would he have kept that level of scoring at number one if not team benefits rest of season having rider replacement for an extra heat leader.

Too easy to say because he was at reserve is the main reason for his high average. He maybe got one easy ride in heat 2 but after that would have ridden against the remainder of the oppositions team. I watched him beat jack holder round the showground by about the length of the straight and not many riders ever do that. No one knows if his form would have continued but the way he was riding, it would have taken a dramatic loss of form for his average to drop significantly. 
 

not sure what you mean by 1 meeting as a heat leader scores 5 points as he rode at number 1 away to Sheffield and scored 11 from 4 completed rides winning heats 11,13&15…..

Edited October 20, 2022 by Sully

[proud panther]

10 hours ago, wealdstone said:

Don't think false average should be taken literally!!! He had done considerably better than anyone could  have imagined when he was injured , which worked very much to our advantage when it came to guests and r/r. 

He did well at reserve, as most of the team did. Winning the reserves race seems to help most riders. The mistake the management made was keeping him for last season, as he had zero chance of maintaining his average.

[Flappy]

1 hour ago, proud panther said:

He did well at reserve, as most of the team did. Winning the reserves race seems to help most riders. The mistake the management made was keeping him for last season, as he had zero chance of maintaining his average.

The same with most of them but we all wanted them back at the time 

[B.V 72]

12 hours ago, Sully said:

Too easy to say because he was at reserve is the main reason for his high average. He maybe got one easy ride in heat 2 but after that would have ridden against the remainder of the oppositions team. I watched him beat jack holder round the showground by about the length of the straight and not many riders ever do that. No one knows if his form would have continued but the way he was riding, it would have taken a dramatic loss of form for his average to drop significantly. 
 

not sure what you mean by 1 meeting as a heat leader scores 5 points as he rode at number 1 away to Sheffield and scored 11 from 4 completed rides winning heats 11,13&15…..

I stated in my post i had a quick look at his home meetings.

I can only go off the figures a number 7 in his heats at home rides against  6/7  5/7  2/7  6/3 .A number 1 at home rides against 1/2  5/6  3/4  1/5 .

So a number 7 faces 5 reserves 2 heat leaders and 1 second string. A number 1 faces 5 heat leaders 2 second strings and 1 reserve the odds are that he would have had a much tougher time keeping his 7 point  average. So you have to agree that riding at number 1 he would face much tougher opposition.

All i said is would he have kept his 7 point average if not the panthers gained a R/R for a heat leader for the rest of the season.

[wtf]

1 hour ago, B.V 72 said:

I stated in my post i had a quick look at his home meetings.

I can only go off the figures a number 7 in his heats at home rides against  6/7  5/7  2/7  6/3 .A number 1 at home rides against 1/2  5/6  3/4  1/5 .

So a number 7 faces 5 reserves 2 heat leaders and 1 second string. A number 1 faces 5 heat leaders 2 second strings and 1 reserve the odds are that he would have had a much tougher time keeping his 7 point  average. So you have to agree that riding at number 1 he would face much tougher opposition.

All i said is would he have kept his 7 point average if not the panthers gained a R/R for a heat leader for the rest of the season.

It's a very fair point, especially when you consider he was riding at number 7 which has an easier set of opponents than number 6. In theory the 7 berth was for the rising star, but Peterborough used it to their advantage with Ulle, many other teams started with the RS at 7.

Ulle had a great start to the season, was high on confidence and riding very well, but no one in their right mind was ever going to suggest he could have maintained that average riding at number 1. Sure,  he rode well at Sheffield, that one time at #1,  but he does like that track, PLRC Champion I recall. The cards fell in Peterborough's favour and they played their hand well. Yes they were fortunate the timing of when he got injured, but they chose well in 2021. They then chose poorly in 2022, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[Flappy]

It really doesn't matter now for sure 

[wealdstone]

Just now, Flappy said:

It really doesn't matter now for sure 

What we will remember is that 2021 was a great season

[Flappy]

Just now, wealdstone said:

What we will remember is that 2021 was a great season

It was 

[Sully]

4 hours ago, wtf said:

It's a very fair point, especially when you consider he was riding at number 7 which has an easier set of opponents than number 6. In theory the 7 berth was for the rising star, but Peterborough used it to their advantage with Ulle, many other teams started with the RS at 7.

Ulle had a great start to the season, was high on confidence and riding very well, but no one in their right mind was ever going to suggest he could have maintained that average riding at number 1. Sure,  he rode well at Sheffield, that one time at #1,  but he does like that track, PLRC Champion I recall. The cards fell in Peterborough's favour and they played their hand well. Yes they were fortunate the timing of when he got injured, but they chose well in 2021. They then chose poorly in 2022, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

How many times was he used as a reserve replacement and against what opposition? You can go on and on but watching him ride, he was riding as a heat leader, just from the reserve position, and no one can prove either way whether he would have dropped his average or not. Regardless, still took a massive effort to win the league with r/r and the other injury issues they encountered along the way. Were by far and away the best “team” last year, regardless of Ulrichs form / injury 

[B.V 72]

Like i said in my first post not having a dig.Every winning team will have questions asked, but the bottom line is if you win the play offs you are champs and no one can take that away and its in the record books for all to see.

Edited October 21, 2022 by B.V 72

[crazyb]

3 hours ago, B.V 72 said:

Like i said in my first post not having a dig.Every winning team will have questions asked, but the bottom line is if you win the play offs you are champs and no one can take that away and its in the record books for all to see.

 

3 hours ago, B.V 72 said:

Like i said in my first post not having a dig.Every winning team will have questions asked, but the bottom line is if you win the play offs you are champs and no one can take that away and its in the record books for all to see.

Don't forget they finished top of the league as well

[wealdstone]

28 minutes ago, crazyb said:

 

Don't forget they finished top of the league as well

The other thing for Panthers was the fact that not all performed consistently   but all were capable and did put in a performance on their day. When some were bad others stepped in.

[proud panther]

On 10/20/2022 at 9:29 PM, Flappy said:

The same with most of them but we all wanted them back at the time 

Well I certainly didn't want them all back, & I'm sure a lot of other people didn't either.

[Flappy]

All very quiet on the panthers front.