Peterborough Panthers 2023

[Shhalewhhale]

15 hours ago, NorwichTownFan said:

Also seen that Peterborough greyhound racing stadium has permission to be demolished, was this ever looked at to be the new home of Peterborough speedway. Sorry if this has already been mentioned. 

I believe it was looked at when Speedway first came to Peterborough. It was never considered suitable for a number of reasons including its proximity to housing.

[Mick Bratley]

https://www.facebook.com/61553224922528/posts/122136846512107497/?

[Flappy]

Wonder if the current owner is any closer to selling up to the consortium 

[scoobydoo]

Truckfest taking place over this coming BH weekend at the Lincolnshire showground in Lincoln ,

The East of England showground had hosted this show for 40yrs from 1983 until 2023 ,

The Lincolnshire showground will be packed with thousands of truckers this weekend whilst the EOES this weekend will just see the grass growing a bit higher and maybe the wind blowing through the holes caused by the removal of the rear panels in the Grandstand #ghosttownshowground

 

Edited May 1 by scoobydoo

[Crump99]

On 4/24/2024 at 11:39 PM, Sir Sidney said:

https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk

How can the newspaper report this unchallenged and without giving the other side of the story? Very poor

At least they've made an effort of sorts although the fact that the page has a promotional video for AEPGs unwanted vision is a bit galling:

Peterborough Panthers Speedway team remain defiant and target a return to racing in 2025

Full statement https://borospeedway.proboards.com/post/43173

[scoobydoo]

As posted by Cllr Julie Stevenson on Facebook 

PETERBOROUGH SPEEDWAY News that the city council has accepted the parish council's NOMINATION for the grandstand to be listed as an Asset of Community Value. This is an important step in the process and we await the outcome of the assessment in the weeks to come. This is essentially to prevent the grandstand from being destroyed. Whether or not the application will be successful remains to be seen, but what's important is this very strong gesture on the part of the parish council in support of Peterborough speedway. I thank them for 

#savethepanthers 

[Crump99]

10 minutes ago, scoobydoo said:

As posted by Cllr Julie Stevenson on Facebook 

PETERBOROUGH SPEEDWAY News that the city council has accepted the parish council's NOMINATION for the grandstand to be listed as an Asset of Community Value. This is an important step in the process and we await the outcome of the assessment in the weeks to come. This is essentially to prevent the grandstand from being destroyed. Whether or not the application will be successful remains to be seen, but what's important is this very strong gesture on the part of the parish council in support of Peterborough speedway. I thank them for 

#savethepanthers 

The wheels sure turn slowly that's for sure. The application went in December was my understanding and the subject was Peterborough Speedway and it's outbuildings so it's somewhat confusing to focus on the grandstand, although Butterfield and AEPG's communications often do so there might be some logic in there somewhere?

[scoobydoo]

18 minutes ago, Crump99 said:

The wheels sure turn slowly that's for sure. The application went in December was my understanding and the subject was Peterborough Speedway and it's outbuildings so it's somewhat confusing to focus on the grandstand, although Butterfield and AEPG's communications often do so there might be some logic in there somewhere?

If the application went in as far back as December then AEPG should be made to restore the Grandstand to its previous state of condition asap as it shouldn't have been decommissioned until the nomination was heard, there was a comment also made on facebook not by the Cllr that July 20th maybe the date of the 2 applications being heard ,but this i expect is to be confirmed .

 

Edited May 1 by scoobydoo

[Flappy]

Can't say I have much faith in Peterborough council 

[Mick Bratley]

1 hour ago, Flappy said:

Can't say I have much faith in Peterborough council 

Big test for the council.

[Crump99]

7 hours ago, scoobydoo said:

If the application went in as far back as December then AEPG should be made to restore the Grandstand to its previous state of condition asap as it shouldn't have been decommissioned until the nomination was heard, there was a comment also made on facebook not by the Cllr that July 20th maybe the date of the 2 applications being heard ,but this i expect is to be confirmed .

 

Just part of the AEPG strategy to put Peterborough Speedway totally out of action so that they claim that LP30 doesn't apply.

We know that a speedway stadium was handed over to them in perfect working order in October but in 6 short months they have wrecked the track, lighting, fence, pits and stand, as well as their Development Summary report saying that speedway is in decline nationally and is also present in other accessible regional venues, notably Kings Lynn , where most of the former Panthers riders are now?

PCC Policy (22/11/23 Planning Portal) pointed out the effect of Peterborough Panthers being evicted their home since 1970 and the vandalism to the speedway infrastructure and speedway track that was clearly fit for purpose as a potential problem now.

As Bratters says, will PCC see it for what it is and stick to the plan or be seduced by a future pipe dream and pound signs?

[Flappy]

10 hours ago, Crump99 said:

Just part of the AEPG strategy to put Peterborough Speedway totally out of action so that they claim that LP30 doesn't apply.

We know that a speedway stadium was handed over to them in perfect working order in October but in 6 short months they have wrecked the track, lighting, fence, pits and stand, as well as their Development Summary report saying that speedway is in decline nationally and is also present in other accessible regional venues, notably Kings Lynn , where most of the former Panthers riders are now?

PCC Policy (22/11/23 Planning Portal) pointed out the effect of Peterborough Panthers being evicted their home since 1970 and the vandalism to the speedway infrastructure and speedway track that was clearly fit for purpose as a potential problem now.

As Bratters says, will PCC see it for what it is and stick to the plan or be seduced by a future pipe dream and pound signs?

I predict the latter 

[Crump99]

52 minutes ago, Flappy said:

I predict the latter 

Maybe but it's not the nod through that a relevant councillor told me a year ago that it would be. PCC Planning and Environmental Committee are going to have to openly in public justify every decision on this and that's not going to be comfortable for them. AEPG certainly didn't want strong opposition to their plans and are spending a fortune on pushing their and the EEAS narratives. The important thing is to remain positive despite the AEPG rhetoric and see where it leads.

[TTT]

Funny how Buster never called off any Panthers meetings last season when running 70% of the campaign with R/R or MPT at No.1 due to Nicki P quitting after two bends.

That alone proves how little he cared about Peterborough Speedway.

[Crump99]

5 hours ago, TTT said:

Funny how Buster never called off any Panthers meetings last season when running 70% of the campaign with R/R or MPT at No.1 due to Nicki P quitting after two bends.

That alone proves how little he cared about Peterborough Speedway.

Or it shows that the club is well supported and viable despite the sub standard product that he usually subjected the Panthers faithful to during his tenure.

[OldNutter]

The local planning issue round here that got cancelled a while ago has resurfaced in two guises.  The plans that got rejected are going to a full blown planning  inquiry and a new version with some very expensive alternatives that the developer doesn't really want to go to is coming in as a new application.  I have have been sent  documents about the inquiry here and the real key feature is that not only do all the documents submitted to the original failed application get the microscopic check, but it is possible to add new information that will be seen by investigated forensically by the inquiry from what are  called "interested parties".  That means should the EoES end up in a planning inquiry, anything that contradicts what AEPG have said in public and proves that they have lied along the way will be seen as long by the head of the inquiry as it has been submitted.  So, all the lies around that recent press statement would be exposed as long as they are submitted by someone who knows the real facts.

There is also currently a fair bit of positive press  about the new British season and the increase in foreign riders wanting to ride over here in the prime league needs to be kept in play to counter those doom and gloom comments made by AEPG about speedway in this country going downhill.  It will all help our case if the planing inquiry is called after the council and AEPG cannot agree on the applications.

[bigcatdiary]

3 hours ago, Crump99 said:

Or it shows that the club is well supported and viable despite the sub standard product that he usually subjected the Panthers faithful to during his tenure.

It’s also worth mentioning that unlike Kings Lynn which he owns outright he has to fight for every date at Peterborough which has been difficult over the last decade or two.

Now I am not defending Chapman but it must be obvious to most that Lynn Speedway doesn’t pay its way bearing in mind his usual gates (that’s when he does run) numbers no more than a few hundred, so constantly running and losing at home affects him more than most.

i would agree that being without Wojdylo & Musielak pretty much ends their chances of winning, bearing in mind Chapman cannot or won’t splash the cash for an effective No 1 or has the points room to replace a reserve worth twice his current GSA at the Norfolk Arena.

[Crump99]

20 hours ago, bigcatdiary said:

It’s also worth mentioning that unlike Kings Lynn which he owns outright he has to fight for every date at Peterborough which has been difficult over the last decade or two. 

And yet he fought for every date, if indeed that was the case (bet he didn't have to fight for the last one? Butterfield would have sent him a spreadsheet to enable that AEPG PR coup!) and the support still stayed strong and was growing until the EEAS/AEPG got ahead of themselves. Sort of made the point really.

[Crump99]

On 5/7/2024 at 7:27 PM, OldNutter said:

There is also currently a fair bit of positive press about the new British season and the increase in foreign riders wanting to ride over here in the prime league needs to be kept in play to counter those doom and gloom comments made by AEPG about speedway in this country going downhill.  It will all help our case if the planing inquiry is called after the council and AEPG cannot agree on the applications.

As you put in your objection, they don't get speedway or where it sits nationally or locally and probably got all of their information from Buster which is why they suggested Kings Lynn as an alternative venue. He said, I'll get you out LP30 l: "The service provided by the facility is met by alternative provision that exists within reasonable proximity: what is deemed as reasonable proximity will depend on the nature of the facility and its associated catchment area?"

Buster may have said to them that the Norfolk Arena is the equal of the EoES in terms of stadium, track and action provided! And Butterfield bought that and even put it in one of his alleged flagship key reports

Edited May 9 by Crump99

[OldNutter]

On 5/8/2024 at 5:34 PM, Crump99 said:

The service provided by the facility is met by alternative provision that exists within reasonable proximity: what is deemed as reasonable proximity will depend on the nature of the facility and its associated catchment area?"

The point Butterfield missed (either intentially, ignoranty or both?) is that following a professional sport team is tribal in nature. In this case, it is like saying that if Old Trafford closed, Man U fans could travel to Anfield and watch Liverpool matches - it's football after all isn't it? - wouldn't happen in that case any more than saying Peterborough and Kings Lynn are "in reasonable proximity"  LP30 is about providing a facility within reasonable distance of Peterborough for the Panthers FANS to watch their team race for honour and league points rather than travel the better part of another hour  just to see independent riders racing one another purely for a few quid.